Welfare recipients shouldn't get to vote.

Not really. Can you provide your argument or are you just blowin' steam?

 

"do not" and "never have" are two different points on the timeline. You are using the argumentative fallacy of Equivocation. Changing the definition of a word.

 

the less citizens who vote, the less democratic we are.

its that simple.

do we want democracy or dictatorship?

 

WTF?

The reason they vote is because they are over 18 and are US citizens. Morality isn't relevant.

 

cause they are ****ing citizens!!!!!!

how's that for a moral reason?

 

the program started under Reagan. but you knew that.

 

So the only refutation you have is the argumentative fallacy of Poisoning the Well? Attacking the messenger hoping to discredit the message?

Typical.

Pathetic.

 

"Citizens" have a duty and an obligation to contribute. Taking is not contributing.

 

no, I'm pointing out they pay taxes.

 

so do people without bachelor's degrees

 

I concur. The franchise has been extended much too far. Restricting the franchise to educated people is the first step to an aristocracy, literally "rule by the best."

 

hmmm... this may seem like a good point but there is political bias inherent in this. Righties don't want welfare recipients voting as they think they give votes to lefties, this is all. Why do they not have a right to vote and do what they must to defend their right to life and pursuit of happiness? If righties eliminate welfare, these people would die off... so shall we say we have no duty to respect their right to life and pursuit of happiness?

 

They actually want a dictatorship, they just won't admit it. They want it and want to be part of that 1% at the top, not even money sways them, these type just want to tell everyone how to live, what is best for them, what religion is the CORRECT one to follow. So typical of 1930s Germany as you have seen me write before, only their hatred it pointed where the conservative party wants it, at the very poor (drain on society) (The Muslims - all are bad head dress wearing gun hiding killers) ( Super Libs - Protest type and Free rights to walk down the street naked if they so chose) (Blacks and Women- Blacks because they still tell jokes about them and Women because they still belong in the kitchen, if the MAN "white man" so chooses)... There are tons of them in every Sonny's BBQ, watching Duck Dynasty and working in many a factory. The smartest of them have computers and post here... They lead a group of beer guzzlin buddies fishing on occasion... Usually in Church each Sunday Praisinnnnn God...

 

Define 'Indian'

 

Citizens are obliged only to not support our enemies, foreign and domestic.

nothing more.

 

Nope. My refutation was in the part of the post that where I wrote my arguments and reasoning. Which you didn't address at all in your response. Either because you had no counter arguments, or because you don't even know what an argument looks like. Most likely both.

 

trying to strip tens of millions of Americans of thre right to vote, would kill the GOP.

 

Nope. If they live on the government teat then they do not pay taxes - the TAXPAYERS supporting them pays the taxes.

 

Sorry, this philosophy is one that eventually leads to the dissolution of a nation. It is what lead to the fall of Rome. It is what lead to the fall of ancient Greece and Egypt.

When citizens fail to live up to the duties and obligations of being a citizen the nation will fail. Period. Exclamation point.

 

An argumentative fallacy is *NOT* a refutation of anything. And it is impossible to address an argumentative fallacy.

 

what are the duties and obligations of being a US citizen?

according to the Oath of Citizenship, they are:

1. Support the Constitution;
2. Support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
3. Bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and
4. A. Bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; or
   B. Perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; or
   C. Perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law.

https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenshi...ization-oath-allegiance-united-states-america


that's it. That is all that is required of citizens of the USA.

 

Poor people don't pay sales taxes?

They don't pay tolls?

They don't pay govt. fees?

Sure they do.

 

Actually it's very easy. But you would need to know something about logic. And it's obvious that you don't

But before going into that, I should clarify that I wrote a statement. You responded to my post without even referring to that statement. Just screaming "argumentative fallacy" as if that were some sort of argument just makes you look foolish.

Now... please don't ridicule yourself. "Argumentative fallacy" is a category of things. Not a thing in itself. Senselessly screaming again and again "you committed an argumentative fallacy!" clearly indicates to any educated person that you have no idea what that means. It's exactly as if you were to scream "you committed a crime! you committed a crime!" without saying which crime, or what basis or evidence you have for such accusation. If you want to accuse me of committing a logical fallacy, you would need to, at a minimum, say which one. And, of course, if you had any idea what you were talking about, you would specify where, how the statement is fallacious, how it relates to the specific fallacy you mention, and why the conclusion cannot logically be drawn from the premises.

I would not recommend that you attempt that unless you study and practice quite a bit for a few years with people at your level. If you think that looking them up on a webpage that gives a quick definition and some examples is enough.... I can assure you that it will not work. I wrote one of those pages myself in the late 90s (along with my older brother, who had a PhD in Philosophy) Unfortunately, we lost it to hackers. But the point is that they will list the correct definitions, but won't give you the experience to use them in actual debates.

I'll expect your response no earlier than next week! (if at all) However long it takes you to find one of these lists that you understand (or "believe" you understand) There are many.out there

 

So the public sector shouldn't be allowed to vote either?

 

yes, all municipal employees, including members of Congress, should not be allowed to vote, according to his logic.