Does anybody think that the extremists at Charlottsville shouldn't lose their jobs?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by I justsayin, Aug 16, 2017.

  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    racists who can't keep their racist mouths shut, are a danger to a business and should be fired.

    let them learn to keep quiet about their racism
     
  2. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    I believe it should be OK to fire people for hate speech. But there should be protected speech for which firing should be illegal.
     
  3. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    I blame Trump...
     
  4. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    Yes..it is ok to fire someone before they have a chance to screw your company over.
    Your arguments come from a very naive perspective.
     
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    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    No...what is profitable and what raises potential liability does...Being a racist in the USA is not profitable.
    It is not about personal convictions it is about profit.
     
  6. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    I am saying that a racist that makes national headlines, becomes a trended video, etc, can be grounds for termination.
     
  7. Sam Bellamy

    Sam Bellamy Well-Known Member

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    I don't know you personally, so I won't call bullshit on you. But I'd be willing to call it on many others in the business world.
     
  8. SkullKrusher

    SkullKrusher Banned

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    no, they should not lose their jobs. I still need my garbage picked up and my streets cleaned.
     
  9. Capt Nice

    Capt Nice Well-Known Member

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    I'm not in business but I live in Arizona where a person can be fired for no reason. If I had a business it would be here in Arizona and I would be free to fire any body for any reason and having a negative impact on my business would probably be reason #1.
     
  10. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Wan, let me tell you the final conclusion I have reached from our debates. This is not an insult, nor is it a praise. Even though there is a 50-50 chance that you might take it either way.

    Based solely on what you have written here. and assuming that you are sincere, I would have to conclude that you are not a racist. You're just shallow. Before you start cutting my text, hear me out.

    1- You're a self-declared racist. But you didn't know (and still don't know, judging by this message) what the word "racist" means. All the dictionary definitions of "racism" that you read are accurate. Words mean what speakers of that language understand them to mean. And dictionaries have been known to be wrong. But you can stop any random person in the street and ask them what the word "racism" means. You will find that, in this case, dictionaries are very accurate.

    2- You have said that you don't believe that they are inferior. If you really believe that, then you are not a racist. And you go on to say that you don't want to live close to them because they are "ugly". That is shallowness. I'm sure you're probably very good looking, but you may be living, without knowing, next door to a genius like Neil Degrasse Tyson (who, BTW, is not bad looking by any standard) or the next MLK, or Yvette Carnell, or Morgan Freeman, And you would be missing the opportunity to live next to some great people just because you think they're ugly . If I were living next door to them, I would try to engage in a conversation with them. You would just want them to move. That's being shallow.

    3- You refuse to accept dictionary definitions when they don't suit you. You refuse to accept history as evidence when it doesn't suit you. Science, Ethics, ... you refuse to accept anything for the sole reason that it doesn't suit you. That is also a sign of shallowness.

    Again: this is not meant as an insult or as a praise (except the "good looking" part :wink: ). It is just an objective opinion based on everything you have said. BTW, you also usually reject opinions offhandedly and without analysis, just because they don't suit you. But I believe this one would be very beneficial to you, if you analyze it. No need to respond. Just think it over...
     
  11. perdidochas

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    Depends on if it's just an opinion, either not expressed or expressed only in relatively private circumstances, or if the employee was vocally involved in a pro-abortion rally. The first is none of the employer's business. The second can be.
     
  12. WAN

    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How can it be? It is not the owner's business whether his worker attended a pro-choice rally. It has no bearing on his capacity to carry out his work-related duties.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    If he's on TV shouting and making a ruckus, it can be. If customers leave because they see the rabid pro-abortionist that they just saw on the TV news, it does bear on his capacity to make me money.
     
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    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And if he just attended a rally, and the rally wasn't broadcast on TV? Is this still grounds for firing?

    According to your logic, bosses can fire workers for their political views easily and all they would need to say is that the worker's personal behavior/political involvement is hurting the company's bottom-line.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if someone is hateful enough to participate in a Nazi rally, they should be fired
     
  16. WAN

    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And what if I think someone who chose to attend a pro-choice rally is "hateful", too? Does this mean I could fire him?
     
  17. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that's your damn business and fankly I dont give a **** what you do
     
  18. WAN

    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But you give a **** when it is about someone who attended a racist rally.
     
  19. JakeJ

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    Google also will fire anyone who mentions that Google is the most male white supremacist company in the USA with less than 5% total black and Latino employees also with a practice of overwhelmingly hiring men over women.

    If you are a white supremacist who does not want to be around blacks or Latinos, get a job with Google. The left and Democrats appear to 100% approve of this.
     
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    Shouldn't the law be applied evenly? We know that teachers, professors in education have and are deeply involved in the "Alt-Left" should they be left out of this discussion? Should people like Robert Creamer and his wife be left out of this equation? If the question is only to go after those of the "Alt-Right", then I so no. If it is applied to all then definitely yes.
     
  21. Golem

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    Promoting racism and opposing racism are not equal.

    The Trump right tagged the prefix "alt" on themselves willingly. And giving themselves a name allowed them to figure out how unpopular they were. So now they want to tag it to the left so they can fool themselves into thinking that the left is just as unpopular.

    It still doesn't make them equal.
     
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    I fired an antifa terrorist just this last Friday.
    :dunno:
     
  23. Sam Bellamy

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    I don't much care what people do outside of work, so long as they show up, do a good job and get along with their coworkers.
     
  24. Capt Nice

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    True. If you were in the retail business and your success depended on how well your employees got along with your 'customers' and not your other workers you might see the difference.
     
  25. Sam Bellamy

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    Same difference. An ******* makes no distinction between customer and coworker. They'll treat anyone and everyone like **** if given the chance.
     

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