Voter Fraud?

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    And one who has no argument to begin with will always, and I do mean always, ignore any evidence that is contrary to their ideological fantasies.
     
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    But it's legal for us to do it?


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    Lol.

    Unworthy.
     
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    You posted not me...


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    If every single vote was legit and intentionally cast by a person based on that person's free will, then where is the influence? And what contributions might you be talking about?
     
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    It's in the Constitution that it's a states issue.
     
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    It is federal enough of an issue that it is contained in the 15th Amendment to the United state Constitution.
     
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    You will be waiting a long time. They have long since moved on from that lie.
     
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    I am always reminded that it is useless to post information for the rabid right since they either ignore the information, or distort it. From the article I posted:

    "The commission’s formation came just days after the Supreme Court rejected an appeal to reinstate North Carolina’s stringent voter identification laws that were found to discriminate against African Americans “with almost surgical precision.” Within days following this ruling, the court also found that two of North Carolina’s congressional redistricting maps resulted from unconstitutional racial gerrymandering. The decision—even supported by the more conservative Justice Clarence Thomas—found that African Americans were unfairly packed in two concentrated black districts, thereby minimizing their political influence in major elections.

    These two actions emerge just four years following the Supreme Court’s Shelby County v. Holder decision in 2013, which invalidated the coverage formula that determined when Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act (VRA) required jurisdictions to submit changes in their voting laws to the federal government for preclearance. This decision permitted states like North Carolina to capriciously change their voting laws, contributing to these and other flagrant acts of voter suppression."
     
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    Remember there was no federal Voter ID in place when Trump was elected. Thus, according to the alt-right Trump may be illegitimate.
     
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    Any contribution to a political campaign, financial or otherwise, by a foreign entity:

    https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...eased_Penalties_Campaign_Finance_Offenses.pdf

    As to the influence, are you saying advertisement does not influence ones decision?
     
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    Err...

    A total of 34 states have laws requesting or requiring voters to show some form of identification at the polls. 32 of these voter identification laws are in force in 2017. West Virginia's law, signed on April 1, 2016, and Iowa's law, signed on May 5, 2017, will go into effect in 2018. Scroll over the map below for state-by state details.

    http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-id.aspx
     
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    "Federal ID"?
     
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    Who requires federal ID?
     
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    So trump beat Clinton in the state of Kansas by 242,000 votes...So even if the 13,000+ votes were all Democrat (highly unlikely), it still would not be close.
     
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    If I remember correctly, there were several parts of this law not directly connected to having an ID to vote and that the SCOTUS said that voter ID on its face is not discriminatory.

    Laws like the NC one are exactly why it's needs to be a simple law. Only 2 state issued forms of ID allowed. The standard ID being free for anyone that wants it.

    As for the constitutional issue, the constitution lays out who can vote, it specifically leaves the method and accounting up to the states. Fun fact, the state of California can decide to not hold presidential elections any more and it can lay out other means of determining electors, such as by district or by voice vote of its legislature.
     
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    New Data: Illegal Voters May Have Decided New Hampshire in 2016
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    Newly available data is casting doubt on the integrity of the presidential election in New Hampshire in 2016, which Hillary Clinton won by just over 2,700 votes.

    Over 6,000 voters in New Hampshire had used same-day voter registration procedures to register and vote simultaneously for president. The current New Hampshire speaker of the House, Shawn Jasper, sought and obtained data about what happened to these 6,000 "new" New Hampshire voters who showed up on Election Day.

    It seems the overwhelming majority of them can no longer be found in New Hampshire.

    Of those 6,000, only 1,014 have ever obtained New Hampshire driver's licenses. Of the 5,526 voters who never obtained a New Hampshire driver's license, a mere three percent have registered a vehicle in New Hampshire.

    The Public Interest Legal Foundation received information that 70 percent of the same-day registrants used out-of-state photo ID to vote in the 2016 presidential election in New Hampshire and to utilize same-day registration.

    Gov. Maggie Hassan, a Democrat, also defeated incumbent U.S. Sen. Kelly Ayotte by only 1,017 votes.

    These new data illustrate the problem with same-day registration laws: they prevent the ability to verify residency prior to the election -- and in a close election, that can make a difference.

    As John Fund and Hans von Spakovsky pointed out in their book Who's Counting, same-day registration fraud won Al Franken his Senate seat, and that extra Democratic seat then gave the country Obamacare.

    https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams...llegal-voters-may-decided-new-hampshire-2016/
     

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