Why nazis and their ilk are not protected by the first amendment.

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  1. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    Who decides what is "hate speech" liberals or conservatives?
     
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    Hitler was a vegetarian so we know who the American Nazis are: the growing vegetarian movement. There is NO redeeming value to being a vegetarian. Anyone suspected of being a Nazi should be required to eat a triple Whooper to prove they are not a vegetarian, ie a Nazi. Worse are vegans. They should be put into Super Max prisons as a matter of national survival.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Also, Hitler only had one testicle. There should be a national registry of one-testicle men starting for birth and then all doctors required to report any one-testicle men to the DHS to go on the Nazi-watch list.
     
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    Prove ANY of them "condoned it?"

    Trump supporters did show up among the counter protesters. Since all the counter protesters didn't go home, you have to agree they all condoned it and all counter protesters were Trump supporters.
     
  5. Sanskrit

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    "Fascism" ("Nazism" also) is a -highly specific- form of totalitarian government, near singular in history, and one of the most misused terms in the English language. The vapid hyperbolic emotions associated with it among those who overuse it have replaced any meaning it ever had. Saying someone is an "anti fascist" is as empty as saying someone is "anti pedophile" or "anti murder." 99% of people don't actually understand what fascism is or was, have never read any of Mussolini's or others' airy fairy, specious and nebulous attempts to define it (even the horse's mouth fails to define it adequately), but use it ignorantly as a synonym of "bad," "evil government" and the like.

    No person or movement who seeks to -reduce- the size or power of central government over the individual, who seeks to decentralize power in favor of local or less government generally is EVER a "fascist" or "Nazi" as a matter of definition and irrefutable fact, not opinion, and anyone who uses those nullities to describe someone who is of an anti statist bent is a complete and utter moron, a fool of epic proportions, utterly politically unaware, and nothing they have to say or any opinion they express about anything, ESPECIALLY politics, should ever be taken seriously.
     
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    Yeah, I think that too. I mean, how many are there, ten? So what's the big emergency? The left is just using "Nazi" as a catch-all phrase meaning "anyone I don't agree with." I think they don't even know what it means.
     
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    I see no "socially redeeming value" in your message. It is just trouble making partisan ranting and should be outlawed.
     
  8. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not familiar with the first amendment and case law I see.

    What immediate danger to other rights are present when idiots speak? Idiots applies to both sides.
     
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    Let's not forget his heinous drinking habits.

    https://pics.onsizzle.com/do-you-drink-water-so-did-hitler-8903135.png
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Probably for SJWs, the rest of us just ignore them instead of giving them status and coverage like the left wing media does.
     
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    Nazi's are Nazi's.
    You seem to be under the impression that there are no Nazi's in America.
    Might be a good time to get yer head out of the sand.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Posers.
     
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    I agree with this decision here is the wiki page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie

    here is the case itself. http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/432/43.html

    This is a political party,and it has all the rights of any other political party because the courts do not trust our government to decide which partys are dangerious and which are not. Governments tend to decide that 'dangerous' means dangerous to the government in power.
     
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    sigh.... yelling fire in a theater is perfectly fine, so long as there's a fire. Sharing sexual pictures of children is banned, but because it is considered harmful to children, who are not legally capable of consenting to potentially harmful effects.

    The fire in a theater idea, of course, comes from a ww1 era SCOTUS decision regarding a man named Schenck who distributed leaflets to young men telling them to resist the draft. This was considered to be an obstruction to the draft of young American men to die in trenches in Europe for a war that posed no threat to the united states.

    So basically, you are associating claiming to be a nazi the same as telling young men to not go to war against a germany which would later, after a very humiliating defeat voted for Hitler who was a nazi.

    I'm.... flabbergasted.

    lol!!!!
     
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    While we are on this "are there Nazis in the U.S. question," the left has become fond of equating present day skinheads and white supremacists who use historical Nazi symbols with WW2 Nazis towards maximizing their own propaganda (irony).

    NO, they are -not- the same, and trying to milk WW2 atrocities towards exaggerating the consequence of modern "Nazis" is transparent. Most "Nazis" today are a prison race gang of your average dumb criminal types who band together racially in the dog eat dog prison world, and NO Nazis marching today had ANY hand in WW2 Nazism, genocide against the Jews, etc.

    Yeah, sure, I can get a red cross flag and call myself a "Templar" or smoke hash, stab my neighbor and claim to be a "Hashassin" working for the "man in the mountain." I can call myself a "French Revolutionary" and go around hollering "Abas Le'tat!" There are any number of historical monikers I can adopt, and then allow weak-minded cretins to claim "SEE! SEE! The "Thuggees" are alive and well in the U.S. today!" and then roll a bunch of historical footage and claims. '

    Now any precocious CHILD of sixth grade level or more could tell the difference and see immediately they are being sold a bill of goods, so why can't supposed rational educated adults tell the difference?

    Follow the $$, follow the bloated govt paychecks, pensions, benes, discriminatory AA, follow the grants, govt contracts, redistributed money, follow the academia hoaxes, pure handouts and welfare, follow the out and out brown bags of money, follow the speaking fees.

    You see, people who are on the side of crooks, and almost surely crooks in some minor way themselves in seeking misuse of the violent power of government, are easy to convince to rationalize that it's the OTHER GUY who is the "world historical" bad guy. Hence, even though they know full well those aren't actual NAZIS, they lie that they are because it helps them look in the mirror without puking, which should be the natural response when a U.S. statist/leftist looks in the mirror otherwise without the convenient lies they can tell themselves about all those "evil marching Nazis" out there.

    When's the last time a Nazi held a gun to your head and said "work half the year so that I don't have to work at all, or so that I can retire at 45 on a six figure unearned public union package?"

    Didn't think so.
     
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    There is still a crime on the books called incitement to violence but the standard is awefully high... as it should be, but if a specific group happens to meet the definition on a specific occasion, find the guilty parties and charge them regardless of what uniform they wear when they commit the crime. .
     
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    Wrong.

    It is a technicality but an important one.

    The nazis are long gone. The few people today who identify as nazis are in fact neonazis. They deny the holocaust and hate jews and spew a lot of crap and even admire hitler and national socialism.

    There are not many of them however and they are not growing or spreading. Sure any of them could become a violent criminal as we have seen but taken as a whole they have no movement and are not dangerous as antifa is.
     
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    I don't belong to any tribe, so I don't know about...."the left".
    Saying there are only 10 Nazi's in the U.S. is just silly.
    Us old guys know what Nazi's are, but do you?
    If a dude is dressed up like a Nazi at an un-America rally, chances are he's a Nazi.

    Kinda like when I see a duck.
    I don't ask myself.........is that a duck...or is that a chicken dressed up to look like a duck?
    There's a very good possibility it's a duck. ;)
    Same goes for Nazi's and Klan members.
     
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    I disagree, they have a right to free speech same as everyone else.. but.. if they threaten others, they lose that right like anyone else

    and free speech doesn't apply to the web unless is a gov run pubic site
     
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    And again, the conversation here is not about ranking dangerous groups, it's about Nazi's & their impact on society in America..
    You call them neonazis, I call them Nazi's. To----Maaay-to........Toe-ma-Tooooo. Same thing. Thugs just the same.
     
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    I see, so if I dressed up like and called myself a "carpetbagger," or a "whig" or a "roundhead" or a "Bull Moose" or a "Wobbly" or a "Bolshevik" I'd actually BE those things.

    No... I... wouldn't. The end.

    It's convenient for you and yours to try and associate those in current history who adopt the names and symbols of DEAD history to add "oomph" to your own side's propaganda, and it works.

    But it doesn't hold any water among rational people and as such is transparent.
     
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    Why were your daddy and uncle attacking Americans? Or was this before the war?

    And if it was before the war, was it their white privilege that kept them out of prison?
     
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    Maybe. I think they just ignored them. What do you expect them to do, beat the Nazis to a bloody pulp?
     
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    They are not a dangerous group at all and not it is not the weak analogy you claim.

    Nazis have little or no impact they are mainly laughed at. Real nazis stood on the brink of world domination until destroyed in the second world war. The idiots running around today do not even remotely compare.

    There are probably more ayran brothers in prisons then their are real nazis on the street. Many white inmates join the ABs just to get protection from other gangs. It is simple survival. However most ABs are more interested in getting drugs smuggled in to get high on than anything else.
     
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