Yes, Antifa is the moral equivalent of neo-Nazi

Good one, little Eichhof.
Guys like you:
Worry about what bathrooms someone uses.
Worry about what logo is on a Starbucks cup.
Worry about loser confederate statues.

But when someone brings up the topic of Nazi's.....
Yer like.........wait a minute, aren't we jumping to conclusions here?
Oh, the little conservative white wingers of America.
Sits in a corner.
Eating their white wing pie.
Stuck in their thumbs,
And pulled out some plums,
And said...HEY...that's not white........its supposed to be white, isn't it?

 

Stop.

Seriously, just stop defending the KKK.

They lynched 3 thousand blacks and 1 thousand whites simply because they opposed segregation. They are white supremacists by their own writings.

The attempts to put them as a group of vigilantes killing black criminals and rapists are laughable. If that's true then why did they kill whites?

If you want to go with the "I'm a non-violent white separatist, not an insane neo-nazi", then you instantly lose all credibility by supporting the KKK.

 

By that past metric the democratic party is just as guilty.

 

I'm not defending the Democrat party. Screw them.

 

Antifa are clueless as to what their ideology is. Depends upon which antifa member you ask. There was that tweet made by antifa a week or so ago, claiming they were anarchic communists.

From what I can tell by their actions and words, they seem to be nothing more than violent criminal thugs, who are against any speech other than their own, and are too half mis educated to understand not all people right of center are Nazis or neo Nazis. They hardly understand what Nazis are neo Nazis are, and apparently are clueless as to what an anti fascist is. LOL

I hear they are anti capitalism and yet some here claim they are not socialists nor communists.

But I think that from their words and actions they are against the first amendment, tend to be violent and are being used by men like Soros to create entrophy and disorder within American society. They might also have some post modernism thrown in for seasoning. But mostly they are just people consumed with hatred, looking for an excuse to destroy property of others and instigate violence.

When they show up at otherwise peaceful demonstrations or protests, they will instigate and create violence. I am amused by how dorky and nerdy in an ugly manner that many seem to be. Almost as if they are social rejects who cannot find anyone to have sex with them. You can pick them out in a crowd by just their appearance. I think we could cure most of them just by supplying them with nice looking prostitutes, as long as they didn't have to pay for the services. Sex to the sex starved is known to cure many things.

 

AltLightPride said: ↑
Stop.

Seriously, just stop defending the KKK.

They lynched 3 thousand blacks and 1 thousand whites simply because they opposed segregation. They are white supremacists by their own writings.

The attempts to put them as a group of vigilantes killing black criminals and rapists are laughable. If that's true then why did they kill whites?

If you want to go with the "I'm a non-violent white separatist, not an insane neo-nazi", then you instantly lose all credibility by supporting the KKK

That KKK no longer exists in case you have not kept up with things. They were really bad in some parts of the country during the civil rights movement in the south. They were murderers and exhibited real racism in their actions. But the KKK of today is tiny in comparison and is hardly anything more than a social club, who talk hateful and racist. But their numbers are insignificant and there is far too much hyperbolic hype by MSM about them. Their beliefs are unacceptable by civilized culture, as antifa is as well. But they have the right to voice their stupidity. I think most of their small membership is just to get attention. Most of them are probably grade school dropouts and most are in that ten percent of americans who have an 82 and below IQ.

 

Here's more:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/09/01/open-letter-to-antifa.amp.html

An open letter to the hatemongers of Antifa

Ray Starmann
By Ray Starmann Published September 01, 2017Fox News
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Antifa members attack peaceful right-wing demonstrators
The following in an open letter to the violent extremist group Antifa.


To the hatemongers of Antifa:

You’ve had quite a run spreading violence across our nation in the past few months. And while you claim your name means you’re anti-fascist, you’ve shown by your actions that you’re really anti-American and anti-freedom.

You’ve assaulted hundreds of President Trump’s supporters at rallies. You’ve vandalized property in the nation’s capital after the Trump inauguration. And you’ve gone on an arson rampage because you were upset that former Breitbart News Senior Editor Milo Yiannopoulos was supposed to speak at the University of California, Berkeley.


In Charlottesville, you arrived on the scene with clubs and shields, prepared to commit violence. Instead, your sick plans were superseded by the monstrous behavior of neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klan members and other right-wing extremists as lunatic as you are. But they don’t have much of the liberal media working as agit-prop wings for them every day, like you do.

If there’s anything you Antifa members hate it’s free speech, the Bill of Rights and the United States of America. In this, you have a lot in common with the fascists you denounce, as well as communist tyrants.

Last Sunday, near your operational headquarters in Berkeley, you proved again that you are a nest of Marxist vipers. You went on yet another violent rampage, attacking innocent conservative men and women who were holding a peaceful rally.

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That’s your modus operandi: intimidation of anyone you deem your enemy through organized violence. You believe you are always right, those you disagree with you are always wrong, and as a result you are justified in physically attacking them to shut them up.

If there’s anything you Antifa members hate it’s free speech, the Bill of Rights and the United States of America. In this, you have a lot in common with the fascists you denounce, as well as communist tyrants.

You so-called anti-fascists are really nothing more than communists yourselves, aren’t you? I’m sure it’s no coincidence that your banner resembles the German Communist Party flag from the 1920’s.

No doubt you believe that you’re on a roll and that through further assaults and intimidation you’ll be able to change the political climate and remake our nation into Soviet American Union.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Here’s what’s going to happen:

Your group is going to be destroyed – either by law enforcement, or by average Americans, or by both.

At the end of the day, you will be piled on the ash heap of history with a myriad of other thugs, authoritarian movements and tyrants from the past.

You’ve had a field day picking on college millennials and unarmed reporters. You’ve cold-cocked Trump supporters with rocks and attacked conservative women with pepper spray. And all the while, local police were forced to look on helplessly, under orders from liberal mayors who support “the resistance.”

Newsflash for you: You haven’t actually met the real resistance yet, but with your determination for violence and bloodshed you probably will.

The real resistance consists of millions of veterans, patriots and hard-working Americans who are sick and tired of Antifa violence and suppression of free speech. Many of these patriots would rather die than let the Bill of Rights be trampled on and incinerated by domestic terrorists like you.

Of course, you could just stop being violent, stop suppressing free speech and go home. Then we could all live peacefully as free men and women in the greatest country on earth.

But history has taught us that people like you are not going to stop. Therefore, you’d be wise to heed the words of the Bible and Matthew: ‘Those who live by the sword die by the sword.”

You might want to put down your copy of "Rules for Radicals," take off your goggles and masks, and think about that.

More and more Americans are on to you. Despite your name, we know you are outlaws who embrace violence and hatred of America in the same way as the communists, the Nazis, Al Qaeda and ISIS.

 

This is why first cousins should never be allowed to marry & have children.

 

Except they're not comic book characters and they kill people who don't agree with their poisonous worldview, a worldview fully stoked by the domestic terrorist who squats in the WH because he likes ratings.

There are no 'non violent white separatists', some aren't violent yet is how the dynamic goes.

 

I don't know if anyone at this moment knows where this Antifa movement in the US originated. It is overly romantic to believe its roots extend back 80+ years to pre-Nazi Germany. That just sounds like a wishful thought, or a wishful justification.

I do think the FBI is infiltrating this group as we speak. They will find out if this is a national organization with a lot of funding, or scattered groups of thugs who like to rumble.

One thing I do know--

The real fight over rights takes place at the ballot box, not in the street---like the Nazis and the anti-Nazis.

 

The ballot box? Are you sure? The Republicans have been winning since the 2010 election, yet it does not seem to have changed anything. The Republicans have control of the House, Senate, and White House, yet they defy their own constituents. In frustration, the people elected Trump, and the establishment is at war with him.

The people speak, nobody listens. What happens when the people are disenfranchised from the political and legal systems? They take it to the street.

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The parallels with the modern antifa and the original are too close to be coincidence - the flag, the name, the symbols, the methods.

antifa is not the only wisp from the past. The liberal "news" show "The Young Turks" shares the same name as the group which in 1913 seized power of the Ottoman Empire (soon to become Turkey) in what is known as the Young Turk Revolution, and then engaged in the Armenian genocide in which Armenians', Kurds, and Christians, were butchered. Christian girls were crucified along the roads.


Odd how a "news" program on American tv would select such a name as "The Young Turks". "progressives" go crazy over a flag and statues but for themselves select names of some of the worst butchers in history.

 

That was over 100 years ago and a completely different Klan. The Klan of now and today is non-violent.

 

Not true. The Civil Rights era was only 60 years ago, and it was one of the worst periods of Klan violence.

Same organization, same responsibility. If you reject the violent actions of past people with your ideology, you make a new organization with a new name, you don't keep the same name and traditions.

If today's Klan is indeed a bunch of peaceful white separatists, then they should no longer call themselves KKK to break from that legacy completely.
Since I don't see them doing that, I don't buy it.

 

Here's more:

https://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/31/atlantics-partial-defense-antifa/

The Atlantic’s Partial Defense Of Antifa (Updated)
JOHN SEXTONPosted at 3:30 pm on August 31, 2017

Over at the Atlantic, Conor Friedersdorf has a piece in which he tries to make the case that Antifa is less objectionable than neo-Nazis by separating their ends from their means. Friedersdorf concedes that political violence is objectionable and therefore Antifa should be condemned for embracing violence, but he suggests that if only they’d set aside their tactics, they are perfectly fine folks. Here’s his bottom line on Antifa:

Note that I am speaking of self-described members of the group, not anyone who shows up in the streets to protest against fascists. Antifa and antifascism are no more synonymous than being a member of Black Lives Matter and believing that black lives matter.

The initiation of extralegal street violence by self-appointed judges in masks is ethically wrong, legally wrong, and in the case of Antifa, tactically idiotic. (I can think of nothing more likely to contribute to Donald Trump’s reelection than roving bands of masked, violent leftists attacking not only Nazis carrying swastikas in the streets, but journalists covering protests, or crowds at Ann Coulter or Milo Yiannopolous speeches.) It is an easy call for me to denounce Antifa members who participate in or endorse extralegal violence. That does not contradict my simultaneous judgment that Antifa’s stated end of resisting fascism is laudable. If they showed up in force to protest Nazi rallies, but refrained from initiating the use of force, using it only lawfully in self defense, I would have nothing but praise for them.

I am unsure about how credible their stated ends really are. On one hand, its claim to be focused on opposing fascism squares with the group’s origins and the testimony of group members in interviews with its chroniclers. On the other hand, its current members have targeted and injured people who are not fascists, including people capturing newsworthy video of public gatherings. This raises understandable suspicion that its agenda is actually broader than opposing fascists, but it could be that its means are so inherently flawed as to guarantee excesses.
Let me say that I think Friedersdorf is making a good faith effort here to apply some reasoning to the various groups he’s talking about. And I think he partly gets it right. I’m really focusing on the area where I think he gets it wrong, but I’m not rejecting his entire argument or the bulk of his approach. My problem is just that he doesn’t seem to grasp what Antifa is, not just tactically but ideologically.

So let’s consider what Professor Mark Bray, the man who literally wrote the book on Antifa, had to say about the group in a recent interview with Vox:

They look at the history of fascism in Europe and say, “we have to eradicate this problem before it gets any bigger, before it’s too late.” Sometimes that involves physical confrontation or blocking their marches or whatever the case may be.

It’s also important to remember that these are self-described revolutionaries. They’re anarchists and communists who are way outside the traditional conservative-liberal spectrum. They’re not interested in and don’t feel constrained by conventional norms…

These are self-described revolutionaries. They have no allegiance to liberal democracy, which they believe has failed the marginalized communities they’re defending. They’re anarchists and communists who are way outside the traditional conservative-liberal spectrum.
Several points here. First, Antifa is violent because they believe violence is effective. In other words, it’s not merely a tactic they adopt, their entire movement is built around the premise that violence is necessary. So when Friedersdorf suggests that if only they would refrain from the violence they’d be praiseworthy, he might as well be saying ‘if only Nazis would stop hating Jews, we could get along.’ Pro-active violence is not something Antifa could choose to put aside in future demonstrations because it’s fundamental to their identity and beliefs as a group.

Second, as Bray says, “they have no allegiance to liberal democracy.” In other words, the reason they won’t simply protest like other peaceful anti-fascists is that they don’t care about liberalism, i.e. the ideas of free speech and free association which most Americans still believe in. As Bray points out elsewhere in the interview, Antifa’s main goal is to “no-platform” or silence those they disagree with. So the problem isn’t simply that they embrace violence it’s that they embrace violence in the service of illiberal ends, i.e. denying other people their rights.

Third, in Berkeley last week, you could hear them chanting, “No Trump, no wall, no USA at all.” Are they likely to achieve this? Of course not, but then neither are the neo-Nazis likely to get whatever idiotic end they want. The point is that, as Bray says, these people are off the spectrum. They aren’t reformers, they are revolutionaries. They want to see the U.S. fail. They want the entire system to burn, which is probably one reason they light so many actual fires. Is that a praiseworthy goal?



Fourth, if you look at the massive Antifa protests at the G20 in Germany this summer, they weren’t protesting Nazis, they were protesting capitalism. Is anti-capitalism a good end? Friedersdorf, in his assessment of the goals of the KKK/Nazis rightly points out that they murdered a lot of people in the 20th century. Their goals, in other words, have a history of resulting in violence and bloodshed. Fair enough, but the same is true of anti-capitalists/communists. In fact, communism is the only ideology which has a higher body count than Nazism in the 20th century. And it’s still adding to that body count today in places like Venezuela and North Korea.

Here’s the bottom line. Antifa embraces violence as a means to achieve their political goals. That’s bad. But putting aside their tactics, they’re also illiberal, anti-American, anti-capitalist, utterly delusional revolutionaries. Those are bad ends which don’t deserve a pass.

Update: I think I made the point but one additional point I meant to make but left out: Antifa are explicitly anti-law enforcement. At several recent events, including Berkeley, they have been filmed chanting “Cops and Klan go hand in hand.” They are of course free to do so but I think it’s another problem with the argument that the only thing objectionable about them is their violence.

Also, worth noting:

31 Aug
Varad Mehta @varadmehta
.@conor64 on antifa and @verumserum on @conor64 on antifa. Like @Neoavatara, I'm more on @verumserum's side, but read them both. https://twitter.com/Neoavatara/status/903371904001683456 …
Conor Friedersdorf ✔ @conor64
After reading Matt Labash's piece my uncertainty about Antifa's true as opposed to stated ends is getting closer to John
8:57 PM - Aug 31, 2017
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He’s referring to this piece which is definitely worth a read.

 

If you want to advocate for fascism or communism that is your right as a human being. Even if you want to advocate for concentration camps or attrocities against the bourgeosis.

It's when you start inciting imminent violence that you need to be put down. I don't care your reasons I don't care what the other side has done.

Period.

 

Do you have a source?

I think you have been deceived by the left wing Jewish media propaganda. Example: say there are a group of 100 people. 2 are violent while the rest are great people. THe media will only focus on the 2 violent people to make everyone think they represent the entire group. Do you think it would be fair to say that because of two violent people that the 98 people are violent too?

 

Oh please. Educate yourself. Google it up, pick up a history book, whatever.
The information is available. You can find dozens of bombings, mass lynchings of Civil Rights activists, lynchings of mixed race couples, etc. All the names of the victims are available.

Did the "Jew media" make up fake victims with fake murder scene photos and fake causes of death too?

#NotAllKlansmen.

I find it pretty funny that the far right loves to mock #NotAllMuslims but has no shame doing that one.

If you're a good person, and find out that your organization is lynching political opponents, then it's pretty logical to do something about it. If as you claim 98% of Klansmen are good people, then surely you can show me mass resignations from the Klan following murders, Klansmen working with the police to arrest the criminal elements that have infiltrated their organization, 'good Klansmen' fighting off 'bad Klansmen' to save the lives of innocent victims, etc.
...Right?

And, you know, since all these lynchings are now public, then how can there be a single 'good Klansman' left now? I mean, what good person would join an organization with that past?

I mean, all I see is that just like radical Islam, there's a small group of people doing the violence, and the group at large is watching it in approval.
But then, Jew waves are probably controlling my brain, right?

 

I read that the most active Klan violence was during reconstruction.

No.

Doesn't apply to me. We are not all one in the same.

#1 - KKK is not lynching people now. They haven't for decades. Last lynching in the USA was in 1980.

I don't think a good organization should be smeared for like the 1 percent. You will have an impossible time to find a perfect organization without some people giving it a bad name.

Secondly, the reason I write on stormfront is to steer people away from the bad parts of the ideology and to only keep the good ideology. Also, the "organization" is not lynching people. Some extreme lone wolves did and I condemn that.

1924. The klan had 6 million members and had a mass exodus of members after Klan leader DC Stephenson was convicted rape and murder.

People who aren't retarded enough to leave because of a few bad apples. We want to resurrect the Klans noble purposes.

The KKK condemns violence and the extreme people who use our organization for criminal things. I see it alt right condemn these people all the time, but I rarely see regular muslims condemning ISIS because they are all ISIS sympathizers.

Don't be silly.

No offense, but you are playing into our opponents hands. Instead of calling out the propaganda and deception of the media and defending a good organization that has been smeared, you are attacking it.

 

Sure, but the Civil Rights era was a high time of Klan violence as well, since the only point of the KKK was segregation and it was getting abolished.

Thankfully. But same organization, same responsibility. If you don't want the responsibility you disassociate yourself from it.

Besides, the KKK is weak, has few members, and can get outlawed if they lynch anyone. So even if they wanted to lynch people they couldn't do it.

There aren't many organization that have lynched 4000 people for political reasons.

That would be a good thing, but since for you "good ideology" is that there's nothing wrong with the KKK...it kind of ruins it all.

The definition of a lone wolf is someone who's not affiliated to any organization. Definitely doesn't apply here.

Could have been fear of repercussions by the government, but at least it had some effect yes.

Which was segregation. Did they even do anything concrete for separation?

They're forced to do it otherwise they get banned by the government. It means nothing.

What media lies? The KKK lynched 4 thousand people.

Okay, so if the KKK is a good organization, tell me the positive things they've done for white nationalism?

You know, besides enforcing segregation (which you admit is a bad idea), killing opponents to it, associating white separatism with hate and lynchings, and making white people look bad for generations.

 

Here's more:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/03/anti-trump-resistance-groups-spreading-north-korean-propaganda/

Anti-Trump ‘Resistance’ Groups Spreading North Korean Propaganda
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Two of the nation’s most active anti-Trump “resistance” organizations are taking decidedly pro-North Korea stances in the United States’ developing nuclear standoff with the communist country, whose leader, Kim Jong Un, has repeatedly threatened to launch a nuclear strike against America.

One group is Refuse Fascism, a well-funded “resistance” group created for the express purpose of opposing President Trump’s administration. Internal presentations from a Refuse Fascism conference last month said the group intends to make America’s leaders lose “international legitimacy” as a way of ultimately bringing down the Trump presidency, as TheDC first reported.

The other group is Workers World Party, a Marxist organization that has played a leading role in anti-Trump demonstrations across the country.

Both groups have consistently echoed North Korean talking points that demonize America while excusing Un’s genocidal regime, and both groups have instructed their followers to distrust American media reporting that reflects negatively on North Korean leaders’ oppression of their own people.


After the United Nations’ Security Council unanimously voted on August 5 to impose further sanctions on North Korea, both Refuse Fascism and Workers World defended the North Korean regime as the victim of international imperialists.

Workers World’s magazine published an editorial titled “Korea won’t be intimidated.” The editorial claimed America — and not the North Korean regime — is the country standing in the way of peace. The last nine paragraphs of the editorial were direct quotes from North Korea’s government.

Five days later, the magazine published another editorial titled “Self-defense and the DPRK” that portrayed the U.S. as the “oppressor” of North Korea.

Three days after the UN voted on the new sanctions, Refuse Fascism — whose financial backers include left-wing financier George Soros — published an outraged statement that framed the U.S.-North Koreas standoff as “the largest military power in the world bullying a small, isolated country and terrorizing the people of that entire region.”

In July, Refuse Fascism issued a statement accusing the U.S. of using a “playbook of demonization” against Kim Jong Un. The statement urged Americans to put aside their country’s and “act in the interests of humanity instead.”

“Stop thinking like an American,” the statement said. “Start thinking about humanity.”

Both Refuse Fascism and Workers World have railed against the media’s coverage of North Korea.

Refuse Fascism’s statement last month urged against believing American media’s “lies and distortion” that portray North Korea — one of the worst human rights’ oppressors in the world — in a negative light.

“No, we should not be comfortable with the disgusting media frenzy, full of lies and distortion, that marches us toward not just another invasion of a small country but a nuclear attack that can wipe out millions of people in one day and threaten the future of life on earth,” the statement declared.

Workers World has similarly criticized “the entire web of the capitalist-owned press and electronic media that marches in lockstep, assuming that everyone will automatically believe their endless hostility against the DPRK.” Last month the group criticized America’s “corporate media” as untrustworthy.

Both Workers’ World Party and Refuse Fascism have been on the front lines of the anti-Trump “resistance.” Both groups were among the organizers of counter-protests on inauguration weekend, where far-left actors staged riots and attacked innocent bystanders.

WASHINGTON, DC – JANUARY 20: A protester sits by a fire in the street as police and demonstrators clash in downtown Washington following the inauguration of President Donald Trump on January 20, 2017 in Washington, DC. Washington and the entire world have watched the transfer of the United States presidency from Barack Obama to Donald Trump, the 45th president. (Photo by Spencer Platt/Getty Images)

Refuse Fascism has consistently organized mass demonstrations, in Berkeley and elsewhere, that have turned into riots. The group is backed by a progressive charity that is in turn funded by George Soros, a major labor union and several large companies, as TheDC’s Chuck Ross first reported. The group lists Ivy League professor and DNC platform member Cornel West as one of the group’s “initiators.”

For months, Refuse Fascism has been planning massive, nationwide demonstrations for November 4. According to the group’s statements, the protests are part of their long-term strategy of creating a “political crisis” resulting in both Trump and Pence being forced from their elected offices.

Three weeks ago, the group held planning conferences for the mass demonstrations. Presentations from the conference reveal the group wants to disrupt the “ability to govern” of America’s leaders and make them “lose respect and legitimacy in the eyes of people here and internationally.” Costing America’s leaders “international legitimacy” is key because it “is a very critical calculation for the rulers of this country.” (RELATED: Activists Plan To Make America’s Leaders Lose ‘International Legitimacy’)

Workers World Party was one of several far-left “anti-fascist” groups present at the white nationalist rally in Charlottesville last month, where James Fields, a 20-year-old white nationalist, drove through a crowd of counter-protesters, killing one person and injuring dozens of others. The group’s activists led the toppling of Confederate monuments following the violence in Charlottesville.

Workers’ World’s stated goals including igniting an international socialist revolution and “the shutdown of the Pentagon and the use of the war budget” — that is, the funding for the Department of Defense — “to improve the lives of the working class and especially the oppressed peoples.”

Tags: Donald Trump, Kim Jong-un, North Korea, Refuse Fascism, Resistance, Workers World

 

The KKK has a lot of beliefs and segregation was only one of them. What attracted me to the KKK was its stance on having a small constitutional government and being strongly anti-Communist. I don't know of anyone in the Klan today who wants to bring back segregation within a diverse country.

That's weak. I will dissociate from the violent people, but why do I need to let the entire organization be smeared when its noble in its purposes?

Even anti-white liberals will admit that most of the lynchings were because of crimes like rape and murder. Out of a country of over 100 million, that's nothing. More blacks kill whites in one year than that total.

I don't agree with the neo-Nazis and holocaust denial, segregation within a country and Christianity.

Ok. Thanks for the clarification.

As for the second klan dying out it was because of DC stepphenson raping and murdering a woman, not because of fear of the government. Even liberal historians say this was the reason.

Dunno.

Yeah, so?

Whats your point?

I said they deceived you, not lied.

being anti-communist and advocating for white civil rights. They wake people up, like me.

Again, please don't confuse the first Klan with the modern Klan.

You can thank the mostly Jewish media for that.

Your argument seems to be regular Muslims should leave Islam because of a few extreme terrorists and that its the same with the KKK. I disagree.

 

Wanting small government and being anti-communist is as mainstream as it gets in the US. Total cuckservatism. Even classical liberals agree with that 100%. How this could attract you to the KKK is beyond me.

Let's put this claim to the test shall we...

Liberals? Do you agree that the KKK lynched mainly murderers and rapists as Super said?

Nice justification for murder. "There's a lot of people in the world and people get killed every day so who cares if a few are killed by our side". Kind of like hunting.

Okay, so
- You're against lynching people
- You're against Christianity
- You're against segregation within a country

Yet you support the KKK, which is overwhelmingly defined by these three things?????

What have they ever done for white rights?
I mean, they're known for opposing black rights, but what positive thing have they ever done for whites in 150 years?

You still haven't answered that question.

They're the ones who made the choice to call themselves Klan. So they embrace the legacy. Their responsibility, not mine.
The modern Klan isn't "more moral", it's simply weak and very low in numbers, that's why it's not doing much.

So just because minorities are held to a low standard, you want whites to be held to a low standard too? That's pretty immoral.

How about we hold everyone to a high standard?

Besides, you're blaming "the Jews" for creating anti-whites, but you're denying the responsibility of the people who absolutely insist on tying white identity to Nazis and the KKK, which reflects negatively on all whites. Kind of like BLM makes all blacks look bad.

I totally support Muslims deconverting, and terrorism is just one reason among dozens. Are you saying that you don't?

My argument is that respectable white separatism doesn't exist.

It could exist in theory if some people were serious about it, but it doesn't.

It's not the "alt-right", since they condone Neo-Nazism, and it's not you, since you support the KKK.

 

Those were just two issues I liked. They are really the only group that talks freely about the race question and that attracted me. Why should I join just regular weak PC conservatives when we have the Klan who isn't afraid to discuss the elephant in the room? I'll join the cuckservative Republican Party if I feel like being bitched around by democrats.

My point was that you have overblown the issue and have not put it in the right perspective. I was not justifying murder.

#1 - it shouldn't be defined by lynching because of the biased media.
#2 - Christianity is not required to join.
#3 - They are the only ones calling for a white ethnostate.

They talk about race and educate people like me. But they haven't done much because they have poor leadership and are a small group but that doesn't change the fact they are right on the issues.

Yeah, but its growing.

No.

Sure, but most minorities wont cut it unless they are Asian or Jewish.

Which is what the JEws are doing...

No.

I know. I agree. That is what I am trying to change.

We have to straighten out our beliefs to be fair to all races, and then more people will get on board.

I cant support the alt-right and the KKK? I don't think they condone neo-Nazism, they just sympathize with it like me.

 

From the pile of nonsense that follows the above, a reasoned person can only conclude you have no meaningful response to my post.

 

The KKK (etc) has exactly the same right to free speech as you do.