Conservatives attack NFL protests

I don't begrudge NFL players the money they make. I take exception to them taking a knee during our national anthem, and the men and women fighting for us in Afghanistan having to witness that. That flag is the flag that drapes the coffins of our fallen. Sure the players have a right to take a knee during the anthem, and I have a right to be pissed off about it. That is the exceptional nature of the United States of America.

 

You may not begrudge how much they make, but many others seem to. Hence, why I said I keep seeing it mentioned. I find it interesting.

Even Trump mentioned how much they make.

 

The protest didn't, doesn't bother me much. I just read where the Packers and Bears locked arms tonight during the anthem. The only thing I want to point out, your title gets at it. Is this protest by the NFL players isn't about injustice or police brutality anymore. It has turned into a debate about kneeling, staying in the locker room or locking arms as of tonight, whether that is unpatriotic or not. Whether it disrespectful or not. It has become a feud between pro Trump and anti Trump factions. The original intent of the protest by Kap last year has been lost.

Those who back Trump are against the players and those against Trump are for the players. Injustice went out the window Sunday. I've been shifting through the polls, most Americans support the right for the players to protest, but most Americans also think the players should stand during the anthem and not kneel. In other words, find a different way.

http://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/09/majority_of_americans_agree_with_donald_trump_nfl.html

I had hoped this was a one and done thing to where we could get back to the game. This protest has become bigger than the game itself. I do think Sunday's actions has caused the NFL to take a hit image wise and the longer this continues the bigger the hit. But that's between the NFL players and Trump. How I wish Trump would have kept his big mouth shut with his attack on the NFL and that the players, the NFL found a different way to counter attack Trump. But it is what it is.

 

Yeah, well I liken this to someone exercising their free speech rights behind the counter at a burger joint by spitting on the burger I ordered. I don't care why they're protesting or the validity of their cause, I show up at the burger joint to buy a burger. Same applies to switching on Sunday football. I'm not interested in hearing about the political views of the players and coaches. I'm there to watch a football game. If you screw around with my viewing experience, I'll go do something else. Not a problem. If you want to protest, go to it, but do it on your own time. If you're on the clock, you do what the boss wants you to do. If the boss allows you to tick off the customers, that'll end up being a problem for all involved. And as you say, it is what it is.

 

The last time I heard someone say that people had to go to the back of the bus was when Obama said that's where conservatives had to sit.

 

Are you trying to dictate what conservative football fans should think. Be aware they are not group think sheep like some some are.

 

And God knows, these poor Millionaire Football players certainly have been persecuted

 

They are protesting Trump, nothing else.

 

Did you feel that way before the violence started in Charlottesville?

 

These people protesting have that right, but they also have to deal with the consequences. The owners seem to be onboard with it, but they will all ultimately yield to the fans. Trump didn’t need to interject himself into the controversy, but he does agree with a large number of fans.

My problem isn’t with the protest, but the hijacking and use of the national anthem to stage their protest. Why can’t they take a knee on the 50 yard line after the game or before the warmup? Are they afraid nobody cares about their cause enough to support them?

 

The issue isn't that people are mad at the players. The issue is that Trump, and others are demanding that players be fired for their protests. A few republicans congressman even want to make it illegal to protest the anthem, and start fining players that do it, and teams that allow their players to do it.

So, this is less bout being pissed about the protests, and more about punishing the players for protesting.

 

You guys look incredibly stupid when you do this.

For everyone one vet who agrees with you there are over 100 who disagree

 

You are not telling the truth, you are a word that starts with an L.

Veternas have spoken and they are PISSED OFF. Your little one or two stories mean nothing other than distraction

 

Projection. And you guys look stupid pretending that all those in the military would agree with you. Including the dead soldiers who you and yours used to politicized your agenda. Talk about disrespecting our troop.

 

So basically you ignore the men and women in uniforms unless they agree with your agenda. So much for "honoring" those who served. What a hypocrite you are.

 

LIE? You are guessing. How the hell do YOU know there are not hundreds more agree with these players? YOU are GUESSING. You want to talk about childish? Here it is:



your ilk used a picture of A DEAD SOLDIER to support your agenda. I find this sickening, yet NONE of the RWers on that thread call out this person. Who is disrespecting the soldiers more. Honoring them my @$$. Why don't you and yours just **** about the troops. They are not brainless robots and can speak for themselves.

 

That would be you. I'm against nothing. Prove that I am against the military.

 

Veteran Whose Photo Trump Retweeted Wants No Part In Politics Of NFL Protest
SEPTEMBER 26, 2017, 1:53 PM EDT


Amid the torrent of tweets President Donald Trump has sent in recent days attacking NFL players and owners for protesting the national anthem on bended knee was an image of a wounded veteran. Above the photograph of the heavily decorated double amputee was a caption asking what “this BRAVE American would give to stand on his OWN two legs just ONCE MORE for our #Anthem,” along with the hashtags “#MAGA” and “#NFL.”

That veteran, retired Marine Staff Sgt. John Jones, told TPM on Tuesday that he takes no issue with NFL players’ protests—but he’s not enthused about being dragged into the politics of whether someone should stand or not stand for the national anthem.

As he drove to his job as director of development at Workshops for Warriors, a California-based non-profit that trains veterans to be certified machinists, the two-tour veteran of the Iraq War explained that while he would not personally choose to protest the anthem in that way, he disagreed with the idea that doing so was “not acceptable,” as Trump has insisted.



“I went over there and I fought for the rights and freedoms of everybody to do whatever they wanted to do in a lawful manner,” Jones said. “So if the NFL as a whole wants to protest the flag and protest America, then so be it, that’s your right.”

“Keep it peaceful, keep it respectful and I don’t care what you do,” he added.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/sergeant-john-jones-nfl-protests-trump-retwee


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I'm not aware of any calling them racist slurs or for them to be murdered - where are you getting this crap? Name me one conservative leader who has said either?

"Conservatives" as a group are not doing what you suggest - I'm sure that, as with any group of over 100 million, you can find some fringe member who does some crazy ****, but it'd be silly to try to pull that to characterize the group.

Conservstives do oppose these protests - as do majorities of Americans. They're protests which by design are intended to offend people - why are you shocked that people are offended? People are kneeling during the national anthem for the same basic reason why they burn the flag - to get attention by sitting on symbols many hold dear. And we hold those symbols dear because the flag carries a lot of meaning - to those who had family come home in caskets draped in Old Glory, and mothers who received a folded flag instead of their sons.

There's a better way to protest. This is just common sense stuff - drawing attention to your cause by going out of your way to upset people is going to work against your cause. Suppose that someone was upset about some other issue, and decided they'd draw attention to their cause by burning the rainbow flag in front of gay bars. Do you REALLY think that would be an effective way to "start a conversation" and win people over? Or is that just an ******* thing to do?

 

Not true.

Trump, on the other hand, only cares about riling up his (racist) base, distracting from all his current failures, nothing else.

 

The majority of Americans are offended? How do you know that?

I saw a poll that said only 30 percent are "offended".

Nobody was offended until Trump riled up his racist base a week ago, timing it as a distraction from all his current failures.

 

Not true. That is just the narrative the violent Alt left is using to prepare their soldiers for war.

 

I have no idea about, nor could care less about the "alt left", whoever they are, or whatever they think.

I wrote what I wrote because it's obviously true, and only an idiot would think otherwise. Trump has been playing this game for a long long time now. Unfortunately, it works every time (with his racist base). Time may run out though.

 

Repeating the violent Alt left position more often isn't going to make it more true.

 

There's quite a lot of Americans which agree with what you just said. It seems to boil down to is most think if the NFL players want to protest, it is their right to do. Most Americans disagree with how the players are protesting and some are taking their business elsewhere. Also the original reason for the protest has been lost as of last Sunday and no longer applies.