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Confederacy made it ILLEGAL to ban slavery

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Ronstar, Oct 31, 2017.

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  1. TheImmortal

    TheImmortal Well-Known Member

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    As I said that is a restriction on CONGRESS not the states.
     
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    GeorgiaAmy Well-Known Member

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    There is no Confederate Constitution. The US is home to every race that has achieved everything and enjoyed wealth, fame, success, importance, and relevance worldwide. But please, share the other countries in which blacks have experienced the success as those in the US have. Of course you won't, because you can't. Tell us what you think of Jews.
     
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  3. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    <Mod Edit- Rule 3>

    Article 1 Section 9 includes limitations on the power of Congress and rights of the people, which apply to laws from the Federal govt, state govt, and local govt.

    this includes all of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendments of the US Constitution.

    Are you going to tell us that the CSA allowed the States and local authorities to violates the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th Amendment rights of their citizens?

    LOL!!!!

    <Mod Edit- Rule 3>
     
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  4. TheImmortal

    TheImmortal Well-Known Member

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    No it most certainly doesn't. It EXPLICITLY states that they are limits on CONGRESS. Not the states. You're simply making stuff up.

    There are TWO things included in article 1 section 9. The limits on congress and the rights of the people. However the two are not the same. The quote you sourced is CLEARLY talking about what congress can't do.

    It has nothing to do with what the people can do.

    You're just making stuff up lol
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you believe the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, Amendment stipulations in the CSA Constitution only applied to Congress and not the states?

    it would be ok for Virginia to arrest someone, search their stuff, without a warrant?

    it would be ok for Tennessee to ban firearms?

    it would be ok for Georgia to force people to testify against themselves?

    no right to speedy trial in Kentucky?

    LOL!!!!! totally absurd.
     
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    Lost Causers can be so amoosing...

    Article IV, Section 2 - prohibiting states from interfering with slavery:

    "The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired."

    Article IV, Section 3, Clause 3:

    “The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy.

    In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States. ”
     
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    Maybe you should study how the CSA was founded, and hear the words of the people who founded it --

    "But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other-though last, not least: the new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions-African slavery as it exists among us-the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization.

    This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right.

    .... Those ideas (in the US Constitution), however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it-when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."

    ...
    ...Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon

    the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition. [Applause.]

    This, our new Government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.     "

    Modern History Sourcebook: Alexander H. Stephens (1812-1883): Cornerstone Address, March 21, 1861
     
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    They complained that the Constitution didn't do enough to protect their "right" to enslave.
     
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    Not as curious as I am about why you are avoiding the question, but I went to HS in Texas.
     
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    Them good ol Southern Democrats! Just so happens "the Confederacy was soooo addicted to slavery" that it still lives on today in every ghetto, project in cities across our nation! We no longer refer to them as slaves but Democrats, we no longer compensate them for production but loyalty and votes! All and all the trade of has proven to be far more profitable then the original form as now they simply use taxpayer dollars from all ideologies to care and provide for them ;)
     
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    You would be better served to understand Lincoln himself didn't give two damns about the slavery issue. Today it's called "a talking point" that he used to salvage the union. Nothing more, nothing less. Honest Abe is no better than the Hill-billy who was first lady from Arkansas. “A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee,” Bill Clinton, 2007, re Obama
     
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    You should hear what Washington and Jefferson did to their slaves if you want disgusting.

    Plenty of blame to go around.

    But great topic - we can never have enough threads about the Civil War. :)

    It's a great chance to dispel the enormous ignorance around its causes, or expose that ignorance as deliberate.

    Oh - and slavery wasn't the cause of that war, and only one reason for the secession. :)
     
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    You completely ignore 100 yrs of democratic revisionism? Good for you. :applause:
     
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    Shhhhhhhhh. You'll spoil the fun. :)
     
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    You may want to re-read my post; I don't think you understand it. :)

    EDIT: Misunderstanding mine.
     
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    I don't think you understood his post. LOL!! Well done, both of you. :applause:
     
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    I don't think you understand mine ...
     
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    Now I get it; your initial phrasing had me confused.

    Hoist by my own technique! :eek:
     
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    It takes a village...
     
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    Guno Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    all laid out in the cornertone speech
    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/
     
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    Trying to take history out of context? Owning a slave back then was like buying an android from Walmart today, everyone had one.
     
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    Actually it's more like FREE streaming and cutting the cable TV cord. :roflol:
     
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    Btw do you know how much it feeds a slave, would you have one today?

    Not me it would be a pain in the butt..
     
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    Exactly..you could buy them anywhere to help you farm your land..
     
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