Violence is connected to poverty not race

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...an inaccurate claim that has nothing to do with some "cultural attitudes about education" in this or that place; everyone has the -opportunity- to excel in HS. Big cities tend to spend more on education per capita to boot. Does spending correlate with opportunity? Not directly, but it tends to evidence against your claim above. NYC spends a multiple of smaller cities and suburbs on education, same for lots of big cities across the country including your Chicago example, how does that equate to "less opportunity?" especially combined with the factors I've already mentioned. Spare us the "metal detectors" cliché, entirely irrelevant.

As a matter of objective fact, white males have the -least- "educational opportunity" of any group of students in the land of discriminatory affirmative action, regardless of where they live or go to school.

 

I'm not American, but will assume your public schools run to a standard curriculum .. at least in the same states? In which case, the difference would be in OUTCOMES, not in variation of teaching methods etc. If the outcomes differ from school to school, it will be because the demographics are different from school to school. Nothing to do with the schools themselves.

 

another branch

 

Even the 'worst' school has a dux (valedictorian .. or whatever Americans call them). An Asian student in your Detroit public school will most likely still excel to the point of Ivy League acceptance.

It's ENTIRELY about culture (in this case, parental/familial attitudes to education).

 

Just more excuses from where I sit.. Last I knew there were busses leaving all crap holes all day long! If you want me to believe educated people are locked in to area's of this country then you are wasting your rhetoric on me. There is a big wide open world out there, start by rising above the fray, educate and then leave that life and find a better one!

 

Perfect!

 

JEWS?

 

Violence/crime/poverty .. in the west these are the product of laziness.

Since 'hope, acceptance, and love' require work and constant vigilance, it's not surprising then, to see the vicious circle - if sloth is permitted to reign.

 

I wouldn't go that far

 

It's much more complicated.

 

More realistic then most offer these days!

 

Again the poor of the different races do NOT commit crime at even remotely the same rate. Black poor people STILL commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime for their population group.

 

Hint: the group doesn't exist.

 

OR they would be smart criminals?

 

Fair enough.

 

Basically stay out of Black and Hispanic neighborhoods you'll probably be okay high crime rates low IQs, etc

 

The good teachers and administrators teach at the better schools. The expectations are higher, ergo the outcomes as well.

 

Correlations are often misleading.

Criminals are likely to be poor- but being poor does not make them criminals.
Poor are sometimes victims of circumstances, but more often victims of failure to seek way to improve their lives. Motivation is very hard to give to a person- they have to find it on their own. Those who lack drive and determination often look for an excuse to not try.... and they will be poor. Or... they will decide to take from or in some way live off others.

 

https://codecraft.co/2012/11/26/learned-helplessness-rats-and-people-power/

Learned Helplessness, Rats, and People Power

In the 1950s, researchers at Johns Hopkins conducted some very troubling experiments. They caught wild rats and squeezed them in their hands until they stopped struggling, teaching them that nothing they did would let them escape the crushing grip of their human captors. Then they dropped the rats in a bucket of water and watched them swim.

Now, wild rats are superb swimmers. On average, rats that had not received the squeeze treatment lasted around 60 hours in the bucket before they gave up from exhaustion and allowed themselves to drown. One unsqueezed rat swam for 81 hours.

In the 1960s and 1970s, Martin Seligman became interested in this phenomenon–he called it “learned helplessness“–and he was able to trigger similar “giving up” behavior in dogs and other animals. He theorized that human depression is a reaction to learned helplessness in the face of emotional or mental challenges against which we repeatedly make zero headway. Other researchers showed that not only did squeezed rats stop swimming faster, they also lost some of their spatial reasoning and memory abilities.

Hopefully, this experiment disturbs you on many levels. Even putting aside ethical questions, the implications are enough to make your skin crawl. At least one pundit has connected the rat experiment with waterboarding at Guantanamo. Probably there are interesting insights about addiction, interpersonal relationships, bullying, politics, and many other social issues to be gleaned as well.

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The stressed animals were also then given what's called a swim test to see how long they'd tread water before giving and females became more immobile more quickly than males. The grand conclusion drawn is that "JSS [juvenile social subjugation] increases depression- and anxiety-like behaviors and sensitizes the stress response system in a sex-specific manner."

I also discovered this related project (link is external) described as follows."We used two behavioral measurements: one is the force swim test, the other is the learned helplessness test," said Bo Li, a researcher at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. The 'learned helplessness test' tested how hard a rat would try to escape an unpleasant situation ... animals that model a depressed state have a high threshold to avoid unpleasant stimuli, which means they lack the motivation to seek a better environment.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...and-human-depression-positive-psychology-whom

 

It would be interesting to measure the IQ of people on this forum, wouldn't it?

Is Racism Just a Form of Stupidity?
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/were-only-human/is-racism-just-a-form-of-stupidity.html

 

IQ scores remain consistent throughout life, regardless of education.You cannot educate someone out of mental retardation. IQ tests measure capacity to learn, think, and analyze. IQ has nothing to do with education or information regurgitating.

 

No, it isn't. Calling it complicated is code for "too hard".

 

It's not the SCHOOL'S expectations which tell in outcomes, it's PARENTAL expectations.

Suggesting it's the teacher's job is like saying it's your doctor's job to stop you eating cheeseburgers.

 

Intelligence is established very early in life (birth through infancy) via establishment and firming of synaptic pathways. The well understood device for the triggering of this process is constant eye-to-eye engagement with a specific primary carer.