Lebanese PM Saad Hariri resigns citing Iranian meddling

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  1. H.R.A.

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    8)8) another crisis in the ME and absolutely the result will be another win for Iran. the Arabian politicians are too amateur.
     
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    First of all Assad had him killed. Then he is killed by Hezbollah. There has always been much controversy over who killed him. I checked last night and it appeared this is still not resolved.

    That is not what the argument is. The argument is whether Hariri spoke freely or was intimidated into what he said which is the opinion I keep reading - eg the Financial Times, Reuters, Washington post.
    The Saud's problem with Hezbollah would be that they see them as an Iranian input into the region....and that is Iranian not Shia. The issue is and has been about political power and seems to have begun with the 79 Iranian Revolution.

    If the intent is to keep Yemen in the State it is in now till the civilians are all dead then it is a massive war crime. I mentioned 'winning' because a few weeks ago I was reading an article which pointed out that with one of the most advanced military's the Sauds are no nearer winning than when they began. They cannot win. A bit like the US in Vietnam

    No it is not. It is about supporting pro Saudi rulers who were not accepted by the people of Yemen. I believe it is the KSA attack on Yemen which has brought all these radical Wahhabis into Yemen. I remember reading when the Sauds got started that they were allowing Al Qaeda to gain a stronghold there....and yes, I do understand that once the terrorists which KSA originally funded decided to bring that terrorism home to KSA they changed their mind, nonetheless they are movements born of KSA and it is KSA not Yemen or Iran who are responsible for them. KSA is totally destroying Yemen, even though it can never win.

    Qatar is no worse than Saudi Arabia. It is just that they both favour different people. Again a power struggle.

    https://www.islamicity.org/13468/qatar-saudi-arabia-colluded-to-start-syrian-civil-war/




    in what Margot?

    Oh well then what I read yesterday, can't remember what it was but seem to remember it being a usual western rag, was lying...who knows maybe joking, It seemed to believe all this giving up the cruelty of Saudi 'justice' was make believe more like an April Fool. Time will tell on that one.


    Financial Times. Never heard of it? You could have found out by checking the link ;)


    Nah, although the 'when you were a girl' seems to be your current line of writing the Iran/KSA power sruggle didn't begin till the Iranian Revolution, that is 79.

    The real roots of Sunni-Shia conflict: beyond the myth of "ancient religious hatreds"

    What's really driving the Middle East's sectarian divide?

    Easy to watch 2.43 min video at the link for those who want a quick introduction into how recent the Shia/Sunnia divide is. Half way down it gets started on the Iran/Saudi power struggle since 79.
     
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    When I said Iran had been dogging KSA since I was a girl I am speaking of the early 1950s.

    Assad had Hariri killed by Hezbollah... and the most likely reason is jealousy because Hariri had invested so much of his money and Saudi money in Lebanon.

    Saudi Arabia didn't collude with Qatar in Syria. Initially when Assad began killing Sunni protesters, the Saudis considered arming and backing fighters who opposed Assad, but having learned the lessons of backing AQ in Afghanistan, they changed their mind and launched a 3 year campaign to stop any Saudis from going to Syria to fight stating over and over again that it would only make things worse for the Syrian people. Further, they ordered prison sentences to any Saudi who went anyway and returned to KSA.

    Saudi backed the Yemen monarchy against the Communists all thru the 1960s and fought Nassers's Egyptian forces who backed the Communists.

    In the decades that followed they built colleges and clinics, provided all sort of humanitarian aid to include food and medicine. They didn't want a failed state on their borders. They had jobs programs and many Yemeni worked in Arabia sending money home to their families. As the war in Afghanistan went on and on many AQ and their families moved into Yemen... Then Boko Haram moved in as well as Somali pirates, al Sabaaz. There was no law and or out side of Sana and kidnapping for ransom with a few murders every now and then became the norm. Even then Yemen was not only fractured with all these terror groups plus the old hard line monarchist and communists, the country was awash in guns.. Something like 6 for every man, woman and child.

    For brief periods there was enthusiasm over major new archeological finds that would bring in tourist money, but the kidnappings put the screws to that.

    With the al Houthis becoming more restive in the north and Iran becoming more involved with them the Saudis tried to close their border with a border wall and sophisticated security measures as well as moving many Saudi villages back from the border 20 kilometers.

    The border between Asir and Yemen is the most daunting terrain I have ever seen. Until I went climbing down there in 2000 I have no idea it was so difficult... read TREACHEROUS.

    Iran wants to control the Persian Gulf and Straits of Hormuz with access to the Indian Ocean.. and Bab al Mandab with its access to the Red Sea. That's what they are fighting over and that's when the US got involved.

    Financial Times is a Russian news outlet.. not very different from Sputnik or Russia Today.
     
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    Don't forget that ridding the iranian troops will be one of the foremost goals of the neighboring powers, along with the shia population iran has illegally transferred into syria from afghanistan and other countries.

    The 6 MM syrian refugees need to be returned to syria, and the assad regime liquidated, otherwise I'd give putin these choices: 1-either he allows all 6 MM of them to return 2-russia must accept them and he loses his naval base in syria.

    putin and iran do not get to decide what happens in the mideast any longer, those days have ended.
     
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    Tartus naval base is tiny.. only four small berths .. its not important and the Russians have had it since 1971.

    Syrian oil production is also of no importance.. Its small and of very poor quality.

    If you want to see the truth .. look at what the war has done to Syrian water resources.

    I'll find a photo for you.

    The impact of war on Syrian water is so vast, you can see it from space ...
    www.middleeasteye.net/columns/syrias-water-wars-143356197
    Jan 9, 2017 - In the north, Syrian Kurdish forces say they are closing in on the Tabqa .... William Polksays the roots of the Syrian uprising began with climate
     
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    Water resources or not, those refugees are syrian and cannot remain in Turkey, Lebaon, Jordan and Europe indefinitely - they need to return home. Most are sunnis who despise assad, and that's just tough luck for lowlifes like iran and its puppet assad project; the vermin in teheran don't get to decide the future of the mideast.
     
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    Assad doesn't want them back.. Its basically ethnic cleansing. Iran has been settling Shia from Iraq, Iran and Lebanon in Syria..
     
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