Trump really blows it this time

For the same reason drug dealing and gangs are permitted to exist.

Corruption in our government.

 

Our immigration process is appears to be broken. For over 30 yrs.
And I think, R's mostly don't want to adopt a better immigration policy. Usually they cry about amnesty for those that have been here for more than 30 yrs.
For they seem to not to want to talk about immigration policies unless 12M people get booted.

 

Yet you don't hire illegals and you're doing ok?

 

Or the cost to get to ZERO. How much are we willing to spend to be 100% safe? How much will it cost?

 

I don't hire legals either.

 

Ask the thousands of MS13 and other gang members we've deported this year.

How much does it cost not to fix it?

 

I don't have any numbers. But to get any situation to ZERO, is a monstrous task.
Taxes would have to rise significantly to achieve this.

 

CNN reports, "Former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty Friday to lying to the FBI about conversations with Russia's ambassador and disclosed that he is cooperating with the special counsel's office.

"Flynn is the first person inside President Donald Trump's administration to be reached by special counsel Robert Mueller's probe. The developments are a sign that the investigation is intensifying, and details revealed Friday provide the clearest picture yet of coordination between Flynn and other Trump advisers in their contact with Russian officials to influence international policy."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html

Flynn did not do this on his own. It is reasonable to assume Trump ordered Flynn to make a deal with the Russians. By now there is little doubt that the President feels he is above U.S. laws, the laws governing our relationships with our friends and enemies abroad, and the laws of common sense.

 

Federal prosecutors say Flynn was directed by a “very senior member” of the Presidential transition team. Trump’s lawyers believe that unnamed aide was Trump’s son-in-law and close adviser, Jared Kushner, according to a lawyer briefed on the matter. The transition team was led by Vice President Mike Pence, and its top members included Kushner; Reince Priebus, Trump’s first chief of staff; and K.T. McFarland.

The New York Times reports, "Mr. Flynn’s admissions in his plea deal could deeply undercut the arguments made in January by Mr. Trump and his aides that they were not fully aware of Mr. Flynn’s discussion with Russians about sanctions imposed on Russia by the Obama administration over the election meddling. In fact, the documents say multiple members of the team coordinated the specifics of Mr. Flynn’s outreach to Russia and knew that the conversations were about sanctions."

Logic dictates this would include Trump. Trump has shown a propensity to stick his nose into everything, even where it doesn't belong. It is inconceivable that all this is going on, including communicating with a hostile foreign power, and Trump didn't know?

Evidence that Trump is directly involved is the response from the White House. It is surreal.

“Nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn,” White House lawyer Ty Cobb said. That is untrue. The plea documents make clear not only that Flynn lied but that he lied with the full knowledge of senior Trump transition officials, who allowed his misstatements to stand unchallenged. Flynn was a senior advisor on Trump's campaign team and transition team along with being appointed Trump's NSA. To say this involves only Flynn is ludicrous.

The other response is even more ridiculous. The White House portrayed Flynn as a “former Obama administration official.” Obama fired Flynn as Defense Intelligence Agency director and Obama personally warned Trump about Flynn. Also Trump dawdled in acting on Flynn for 18 days after then-acting attorney general Sally Yates warned officials that Flynn was lying about his phone calls with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the transition.

Next came the White House assertion that the Obama administration gave the Trump transition team their blessing for the phone call to Kislyak. In other words, the Obama administration gave Flynn permission to undercut the Obama administration in its dealings with a hostile foreign power. Absurd.

It is easy to see the White House is clueless in attempting to handle this development.

Through it all, Trump, who heretofore can't keep his mouth shut, is keeping his mouth shut. Not a peep or a tweet out of him.

 

Since Thanksgiving Trump's world has come crashing down.

Judge Andrew Napolitano, a Fox News contributor, reported, "Last Wednesday evening, after Trump had left the White House for a Thanksgiving weekend at his Florida estate, Flynn’s lawyers delivered a letter to lawyers for all the others in the agreement, including Don McGahn, who is White House counsel, to announce their withdrawal from it. This means that they can no longer comply with the terms of the agreement because they are about to have communications with Mueller’s team that they cannot share with the lawyers for the others.

"That can only mean that Flynn is offering to give the government something."

Ever since, Trump has been acting erratically, and that is being kind.

On Friday we learned the Internal Revenue Service is installing a safe to protect Trump’s widely sought tax returns.

On Monday, at a solemn ceremony honoring Navajo code talkers Trump called a U.S. Senator Pocahontas.

On Tuesday there was to be a critical meeting at the White House between the President and the Democratic and Republican leaders of Congress to discuss, among other things, keeping the government open after Dec. 8. Through name calling, outright lies concerning their positions, and declaring there would be no deal, Trump disinvited the Democratic leaders, turning the vital meeting into photo op and a political stunt.

On Wednesday, he re-tweeted racist Muslim videos from a far right British group, angering our Muslim partners in the fight against ISIS and our most reliable ally, Great Britain. Today, parliament members clamored for Prime Minister May to revoke Trump's invitation to visit Britain.

Today, the White House leaked to the New York Times, "The White House has developed a plan to force out Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson, whose relationship with President Trump has been strained, and replace him with Mike Pompeo, the C.I.A. director, perhaps within the next several weeks." The next several weeks?

The Times continued, "It was not immediately clear whether Mr. Trump had given final approval to the plan developed by John F. Kelly, the White House chief of staff, but the president has been said to have soured on Mr. Tillerson and in general is ready to make a change at the State Department." In the next several weeks. That is ludicrous.

And phony as hell. Apparently, it is our President's plan to look completely absurd to draw attention away from the fact that Mueller is closing in on him.

Flynn was a senior advisor during the election campaign and transition period and later was appointed Trump's NSA. He was fired after 24 days. In addition to Flynn turning state's evidence, two of Trump closest associates, Paul Manafort and Rick Gates have been indicted. It is expected that they also will make a deal with the special prosecutor.

George Papadopulous, a junior member of Trump's campaign team, has been an informant for Mueller since July, possibly wearing a wire at opportune times.

Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, met earlier this month with Mueller's team as part of the investigation into Russia's meddling in the election.

Donald Trump Jr. will appear for a closed door interview with the House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday, Dec. 6. He, Kushner, and Manafort met with four representatives of the Russian government on June 9, 2016 at Donald, Sr.'s home, Trump Tower.

Is it any wonder that Trump is acting strangely and the White House is frantic as it tries to protect the President from himself?

 

Assumptions.

If it costs us 100 billion a year to get rid of them that's a net result of zero, since it already costs us 100 billion a year and doesn't include the price we pay with higher crime.

Sometimes the right thing to do is difficult.

Why does it need to be zero in the first place? A reduction of 50% alone would save us tens of billions per year.

 

And they stated theirs. Did they put name tags on those empty chairs at the meeting?

 

The sky is falling, the sky is falling (Yawn!)

 

Who is they? What did they state? Besides going to a dead end meeting.

But as we see today, it was a diversion from the real news. His admin is in deeeeeeep sheet.

 

This time around the entire world sees how stupid some of our leaders really truly are. Not that we didn't already know it before, but now they don't even bother to hide it. It's like stupid is the new trend or something.

 

Actions speak louder than words. They didn't show up.

 

In reality the only one who really 'blew it' in the White House was named Monica

 

You spend so much time talking about how dumb and stupid President Trump is... who do you think you are fooling? He became President of the United States for crying out loud! How many Americans have worked diligently for that position all their lives? Guess the one that is stupisd as well as moronic here is making those statements. All in the name of a bitter loss.

 

Trump got really lucky. A tsunami of events propelled him into the White House courtesy of non-college educated white blue collar workers, out-of-work miners, disheartened farmers, and white women along with anarchists (drain the swamp types) and white supremacists.

The Democrats chose the worst candidate possible.

Comey re-opened the private server investigation eleven days before Election Day.

Voter apathy because both candidates were terrible. 90 million Americans stayed home on Election Day.

Trump had the help of the Russians. Putin wanted a moron to win the Oval Office.

Trump had the help of WikiLeaks. They were responsible for a four-month daily barrage of news leaks designed to destroy the Clinton campaign.

David Duke could have been nominated by the Republicans and he would have won given these circumstances.

 

Oh....luck is it? You love to ridicule "non-college indoctrinated white blue collar workers and lump them in with white supremacists.. That tells me a lot about you Sandy.
I don't know what race you are (and don't really care) but first and foremost, you paint yourself an "elitist" with an education/indoctrination that puts you in a class far above anyone that would dare challenge you. Guess that is why you champion the establishment.
Secondly, in keeping with the trend of "identity politics" you are very race oriented and have a disdain for those of the Caucasian race in general. Even if you are white, you feel this self/degradation puts you on some type of higher moral ground..Either way, you have racist tendencies. Draining the swamp does not make one an anarchist. Does working for term limits seem like anarchy to you? Do you like entrenched Senators that have built up a debt to be paid to their lobbyists? Does the "deep state" enthrall you that let avowed "Trump Haters" work for the FBI and called off Hillary's e-mail investigation before she could even be interviewed? You like that kind of activity? Or judges that legislate from the bench?

 

I am Caucasian and your assertion that I have disdain for the Caucasian race is almost as absurd as the rest of your post.

I did not lump non-college white workers with white supremacists. You made that up. However, I did say both groups supported Trump. I noticed you did not challenge that assertion.

The comments concerning non-college educated voters is based on research not racist tendencies. (I'm still trying to figure out how I could be racist against white people. That's a new one.)

Clinton’s margin surged in the 50 most-educated counties.

Clinton collapsed in the 50 least-educated counties. These are really the places that won Donald Trump the presidency, especially given that a fair number of them are in swing states such as Ohio and North Carolina. He improved on Mitt Romney’s margin by more than 30 points (!) in Ashtabula County, Ohio, for example, an industrial county along Lake Erie that hadn’t voted Republican since 1984.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

FiveThirtyEight is one of the most respected pollsters in the business. If the use of research makes me some kind of elitist, then I am an elitist because I use research constantly as a basis for my remarks. On the other hand, my friends would laugh their fool heads off at the idea of my being an elitist.

"Draining the swamp" meant the removal of political leadership in Washington. Do you ever read what Trump supporters are saying on this issue? That is what they say, not me. They include Republican leadership along with Democratic leadership. If you listen to them, they constantly express the goallof removing the RINO's in Congress. The RINO's include McConnell, Ryan, Graham, McCain, Corker, Flake, and others. Also earmarked for removal by Trump fans are the minority leaders of the Senate and House.

The removal of leadership in government creates anarchy.

I guess you didn't realize that.

I am a conservative who wants stability at the highest levels of our government. The election of Trump by non-college educated types, white supremacists, and anarchists created chaos at the highest levels of our government.

Your lack of awareness of these factors tells me a lot about you, Yab.

 

When you talk about higher education, do you include trade schools? I didn't think so. Education to most leftists means indoctrination into the social science of government, social engineering, social justice, etc. I know for a fact I have read more on the subject independently than many with PHD's. I just haven't had the input from liberal/ Marxist minded Professors. And you claim to be Conservative? I don't see it in any way shape or form.

Those RINO's you stated are all exactly that. Each one claimed to be for removing the Obamacare mandate until it came time for voting on it. Each one claimed to be for securing our borders. Graham and McCain worked behind the scenes to procure amnesty sending an "open borders" message to all who would come. This is not leadership. Each one of them stand for establishment policies and will change nothing. They haven't changed a thing in the past 16 years. They are the swamp. It is being drained and somehow you, a so-called conservative feel threatened! I find that very odd.

 

Look, I'm just going by what the research says concerning non-college educated white voters. A number of sources say the same thing.

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Thank you for proving my point. Obviously,Trump supporters, including you, wish to remove the Democratic leadership from Congress. Now you are admitting that Trump supporters, including you, want the removal of Republican leadership as well. You didn't mention McConnell and Ryan, but others have. They are the leaders of the Senate and House, respectively, and they are considered RINO's as well because of their failure with healthcare.

I am going by what Trump supporters have said. Remove both the Senate and House leadership from both parties and replace them with idiots like Moore and other inexperienced Trump sycophants (drain the swamp), like Trump himself, and you have chaos. In other words anarchy. It is not rocket science.

Thank you for your assistance.

 

Sorry Sandy.... I forgot to mention Ryan and McConnell. Good point because their leadership has always been compliant with "establishment wishes". Neither one has done anything in the way of securing our borders....eliminating sanctuary cities,or eliminating Obamacare. I take it as well you are fine with that performance. You want to paint yourself as someone with far more intelligence that the average American. My own father, a WWII vet without your "college indoctrination" owned and ran a family business for 40+ years employing an average of 250 employees. Wonder how many of your higher indoctrinated elitists have accomplished 30% as much?
What difference does it make if a voter is white? Why do you relish pointing that out? Don't all of our votes count the same?

Trey Gowdy or Jim Jordan of Ohio could replace our current leadership in a heartbeat. It would turn the establishment elitists upside down.

 

The OP states, Just how incredibly stupid is Trump really? We get a startling look at the answer to that question today. The answer is ... exceedingly.

The two Democratic leaders of the House and Senate were scheduled to meet with Trump and the two Republican leaders of the House and Senate, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, to discuss tax reform and the looming government shutdown on Dec. 8. The Democratic leaders were, of course, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.

The meeting was billed to be highly critical, particularly in the case of the government shutdown. Some Democrats will have get on board to prevent that shutdown because it will take at least 60 votes.

So what does Trump do? In a condescending manner meant to insult Trump refers to the two leaders of the House and Senate by their first names. Then he tells them there won't be any deal in his opinion.

The President tweeted Tuesday morning that the meeting likely would not result in a deal about funding the government.

"Meeting with 'Chuck and Nancy' today about keeping government open and working. Problem is they want illegal immigrants flooding into our Country unchecked, are weak on Crime and want to substantially RAISE Taxes. I don't see a deal!""

Now, because Trump needs Democratic votes to avoid a government shutdown, Trump has to eat those words. I told you they were incredibly stupid.

Trump was forced to invite the two Democratic leaders back to the White House. No doubt Chuck and Nancy are eager to meet with Trump. They have a lot of great ideas.

"We're glad the White House has reached out and asked for a second meeting. We hope the President will go into this meeting with an open mind, rather than deciding that an agreement can't be reached beforehand," the two Democrats said in a joint statement, drooling with anticipation.

"We need to reach a budget agreement that equally boosts funds for our military and key priorities here at home including the opioid crisis, pension plans and rural infrastructure," Schumer and Pelosi said in their statement. "We have to provide funding for community health centers and (the Children's Health Insurance Program), as well as relief for the millions of Americans still reeling from natural disasters. And we must also come together on a bipartisan deal to pass the DREAM Act along with tough border security measures. There is a bipartisan path forward on all of these items."

They added, "As negotiations with our Republican counterparts continue, we are hopeful the President will be open to an agreement to address the urgent needs of the American people and keep government open."

Perhaps next time Trump will think twice before mocking the minority leaders of Congress, particularly when he needs their support.

But I doubt it.