Is the Deep State Attempting a Coup?

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  1. Lesh

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    It's the Bilderbergurs I tell ya.

    Or maybe the Illuminati
     
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    You must be one of those deep state bureaucrats about to get demoted.

    Steve
     
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    Much too kind.
     
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    Leah is an unemployed dreg. Don’t sweat it.
     
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    If we think about the coup theory on one side of the coup we have the President, with his ability to hire and fire, the House, The Senate, the Supreme Court, most governors with their ability to hire and fire, most state legislatures, all conservative news outlets, conservative talk radio, the US military and most of the Republican party; on the other the "MSM" the Obama appointments, and the Democrats. Do you really think this is a logical assumption?
     
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    The FBI already has more work than they can actually handle. So this is a really dumb idea.
     
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    Jesus christ, you right wingers will believe anything. You are so far gone with brainwashing, its kind of scary the nonsense I see right winger attempt to argue.

    Meanwhile, the super rich have already taken over the government right under your nose, with your blessing. Trump and the republicans are not even hiding it. For crying out loud, Russia played a huge role in getting Trump so they can get reduced sanctions. And you buy Trumps deflection about some Deep State?

    I need to get out of this country, its going down the tubes with the complete idiots that are complicit in our decline
     
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    I look forward to your leaving. There is evidence Comey broke laws leaking false and classified information to the media that would help democrats. He testified to it UNDER OATH to a congressional hearing! Where is HIS INDICTMENT?

    Here's my idea of the hierarchy:
    1. Top, democrats
    2. MSM
    3. deep state bureaucrats

    Bureaucrats were passing false and classified info to the MSM, which then published said crap, that benefited democrat party. But they will certainly be the most difficult to root out.

    Steve
     
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    Mueller did not "find" the problem. The Inspector General exposed it.
     
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    I reckon you are far more experienced and intelligent than the retired intel people who make up VIPS? Which is a joke of course. Let me guess, you supported hillary and are a democrat? And it is best to deny reality, for it does not serve you. But for me, a sanders supporter, I will trust VIPs given that most of these people were once upon a time democrats, and none are GOPhers. And it takes these old democrats to be able to see reality, since clearly the dem voters cannot see it anymore. Ray McGover, retired russian expert from the CIA called this a soft coup last year, once the leak started to come from people who should never leak. He laid it out, why he believed it was a soft coup. And it involved in part, trump voicing that he wanted to reset with russia. This went against what obama and hillary wanted, and those burocrats who embed the federal gov't who are obama and hillary people. Throw in the CIA whose self interests in funding wants a cold war with russia, and there ya go.

    So, I do not think you are quite astute and aware enough of reality, to decide if there is a soft coup or not. I trust VIPs and a score of other people no longer in gov't who agree with VIPS. For they actually understand reality. While a partisan is not served by understanding anything but their silly tribalism. Basically, IMO, the opinion of any partisan is moot. For they cannot and will not be intellectually honest in their opinion. And this is self evident. The only people worth hearing, are Independents who are astute enough to understand the reality of what we have with these two parties, and their sycophants. We are Independent because we see how tribalism destroys the ability of a brain to reason and be rational, objective For Independents are the people who are concerned about our nation, our gov't instead of tribalism, the devotion to one or the other party. All that matters to partisans is their party.
     
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    I agree totally except that I stay here. I'm a bad cold, you don't get rid of me that easily

    This "deep state' bullshit is beyond belief. The crudest and most transparent propaganda that a 6 year old dictator of your average Latin American banana republic would laugh at and it's being pushed and BELIEVED in the most advanced and powerful state on Earth. The only excuse I can offer is that we Americans don't usually see this sort of thing and so are reluctant to accept that something this stupid is now being offered by or own government.

    To you Trumpistas; WAKE UP, you are being played for suckers and chumps by the oldest and occasionally the STUPIDEST tricks in the book, that's not really money in that briefcase, coins aren't struck with the heads pointing the "wrong way"
     
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    Great post! And it is no nice to see someone who understands this, and can get to the core of the problem. And yet, these modern faux liberal dem voters really could not care less. Consumed with tribalism, they just do not have time for anything but that. And so, even the truth you laid out here, which any old dem would know, will be called a conspiracy theory, thanks to the CIA who coined that term, to appeal to the brain dead. The success of this term cannot be overstated.

    I have called these modern dems, faux liberals, for a reason. And you just laid out some of the reasons that this term nails them, to a wall.
     
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    Gosh - didn’t realize that when someone continually steps on a rake and bashes their own head, that it’s called a “coup”. I guess the best way to avoid this is for Capt. Donald and crew to stop stepping on rakes.
     
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    If the CIA reads your post, there will be some slaps on the back, and praise for the CIA dude who came up with the idea of coining the term. Conspiracy Theory, to muddy the waters and conceal the truth from the rubes. Well done! And just more evidence the CIA is smarter than the rubes.
     
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    I think the Deep State are the soldiers and mercenaries. A coup was put in place the day after the election by the Democrat and progressive powers that be with strong allied help from the MSM. Hillary was the heir apparent to the presidency and her losing was clearly a major fault in the process, so the process -- elections -- clearly had to be abandoned. After quietly watching the Russians try to cause havoc with the election for 6 to 8 months, Obama led the charge starting the day after the election with the loud mythical claim that the Russians colluded with Trump to steal the election. That started an incessant search for scandal and smearing Trumpsters to cause a resignation or warrant impeachment.
    Trump's major mistake was oddly trying to give nice leeway to the opposition, like allowing Sally Yates and appointing Asst AG Rosenstein. (A successful high level business tycoon, especially one in New York real estate, knows full well that once you have an arch enemy on the floor you never ever let him up.) Trump should have asked for every appointee's resignation his second day in office, then take his time deciding which ones he would keep. He didn't and he is in deep trouble.
     
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    I think you have it backwards. At least in my case you do.

    I don't fear the deep state because of Trump. One of the reasons that I support Trump is that he is fighting against the deep state.

    Unchecked power of unelected bureaucrats is rhe single greatest enemy of sovereignty of the citizenry.
     
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    While I agree, and I love the way you termed it, that they have stepped on rakes, it goes far beyond that. When retired intel people, who created VIPS after the bogus intel and lies that took us into Iraq, came out early on, last year, and pointed out a soft coup was going on, as they gave the evidence for it, to only predict what would happen next, in this coup, one had to give that creds, given who these people are, and given that these are not right wingers. Far from it. SO when democrats, although they may have done what I did and left the party, call out and point out a soft coup, democrats should at least give it some consideration instead of knee jerking into using the term the CIA coined to misdirect from the truth.

    So when modern democrats must indulge in knee jerking into the CT term, even when other democrats are calling it a soft coup, well, this does not help these modern dems when it comes to creds. And those old dems who call it a soft coup have decades of experience with the CIA and NSA, and other intel agencies. If anyone would know it, these men would. And yet, what did MSM do to them, early on, which continues to this day? Blacked....them...out. For they gave the other side of the official story. This is what the old USSR did, and every authoritarian gov't in more modern times. That is should have thrown up red flags galore, which would be noticed, just did not happen. IN fact, my money says most dems had no idea of what went on with these black outs. And, in the past, the DP would have had a huge problem with this, they no longer do. And this is bad, really bad.
     
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    I am saying that the deep state is Trump and the Trumpista's creation. It's mainly populated by the 3 million phantom voters who gave Trump the popular vote as well.
     
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    Yup, everything Trump says, and Fox news regurgitates and runs with, is nothing more than deflection of things he's actually doing. Trump is a real life troll. That's what trolls do. Say things about others that fit them. "Lock her up" meanwhile how many of his inner circle have been indicted now, and plead guilty, and the noose is tightening around him? Obama's "Deep state" meanwhile Russian trolls. He yells "fake news" while pushing Fox news and Brietbart, the real fake news.

    Obama was the divider, meanwhile he hasn't don't one uniting thing as president, it is all divisive. He's the president of the 25% of the people that voted for him and gives a finder daily to everybody else and pandering to the lowest of the low

    Screw all these people that continue to support him, they really are the bottom of the barrel of this country, and they own their own woes in life to their own stupidity and biases.
     
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    "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex" - Dwight David Eisenhower

    The story is true, only the name (and composition) has been changed.
     
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    Once Trump signs the Tax Bill, corporate America will have no need to pretend that Trump isn't wacko.
     
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    I see nothing to confirm that.
     
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    What the Hell is Deep State?

    Next it will be Deep Nation

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    Yes he has set another record today. The highest average disapproval rating of 57.5%. Approval is at 38.3. This is based on an average of the last 10 polls.

    Congrats on the new record tRump.

    Link: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html
     
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    That's because you can't see
     
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    Yep.....the Feast Resistance.


    Democrats kick off anti-Trump 'Resistance Summer'
    www.washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-kick-off-anti-trump...

    Can Democrats Harness the #Resistance? - Bloomberg
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-11-02/the-democrats...

    The Democrats Are Leading the Resistance From Behind
    www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2017/02/the...

    Democrats Will Need More Than Resistance to Govern | …
    https://www.thenation.com/article/democrats-will-need-more-than...

    Democrats will botch the resistance against Trump ...
    https://thinkprogress.org/democrats-will-botch-the-resistance...
     
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