Al Gore: ‘Bitter cold’ is ‘exactly what we should expect

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  1. Sobo

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    Actually not. I visited Madagascar and saw primitive standards there which i would not want for myself.
     
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    I habe kein Energie nicht gesagen.

    Sein English ist schlect.
     
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    That doesn't count as a source.
     
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    CRU GISS and NOAA aren't sources?
     
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    Gore is not a scientist. Discrediting that old gas bag does not in some way discredit the simple reality of humans impacting earth's climate through environmental pollution. Our extraction of untold tons of carbon dioxide from deep below the surface and releasing it rapidly into the environment is having a measured and measurable impact as oceanic and atmospheric CO2 levels rise. There is nothing "mythical" about it, but no one can be certain of what exactly the long-term implications are, and that most certainly includes Al Gore.
     
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    How do you fix the Primitive societies and bring them to your standard?
     
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    They are sources, but telling me to look at a map from them because it is obvious proof of your claim does not count.
     
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    Peer reviews. AKA Fox guarding the hen house
     
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    Climate changed far faster during the little ice age than it has since the industrial revolution. Reach?
     
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    What percentage of Earth's temperatures are on record?
     
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    Climate is caused by natural phenomenon until proven otherwise.
     
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    Unless something like the California drought occurs then it's global warming. No matter that California has a long history of long droughts
     
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    Easier to throw a person under the bus than his dogma I guess.
     
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    It is the height of arrogance to believe we know everything that effects Earth's climate. In a hundred years they will laugh at us and what we didn't know just as we do about people a hundred years ago and they did about their predecessors and they did about their predecessors.........

    Scientist still debate the cause of the little ice age and still debate if it has ended or not yet you pretend to know all about all what is occurring in the present.
     
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    During the period that AGW makes predictions it's 100%.
     
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    CO2 and other greenhouse gases make a VERY convincing rebuttal to the hypothesis "warming is primarily natural". On the flip side the hypothesis "warming is primarily anthroprogenic" has no convincing rebuttals.
     
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    His dogma is alarmism. I have no problem throwing that under the bus too. Plus, most of his statements are easily proven false on a pure scientific basis anyway.
     
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    Are you stating most peer reviewed studies are false?

    Citation needed.

    Massive amounts of proof.

    https://science2017.globalchange.gov/

    Looks like otherwise came and went.

    The fact that you can't and won't refute that report shows me you agree.
     
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    The peers are themselves
     
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    Thermal inertia. The vessel will continue to transfer heat to the water after the heat has been turned off. If the water is boiling there may even some internal inertia that gets released in the form of the enthalpy of fusion when the small pockets of vapor at the bottom do a phase change back to a liquid. However, that's a double edged sword because the water at the top that is being warmed by convection will phase change to a gas stealing it's enthalpy of vaporization from the liquid.

    Anyway. Solar inertia is really short. Diurnal lag is no more than a few hours at most. Seasonal lag is no more than a few weeks at most. Solar activity lag is estimated to be months at most. That's at least an order of magnitude less than the 60 year dimming period we are seeing as part of the grand cycle. Also, consider that our vessel in the climate case is dominated by the oceans. Water has a specific heat capacity 4x that of air so it's really efficient at storing heat. And there's a lot more ocean mass than atmosphere mass. That's where most of the inertia would be. But, we measure the temperature of the ocean and what we find is that it is increasing too. If the heat were getting transferred to the air as part of the inertial lag you'd expect ocean temperature to decrease. But it's not. Everything including the oceans is still heating up. Note the difference with your analog. The vessel cools as the inertial lag is transferred to the water from the pot.
     
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    Reminds me of all the Ivy leave trained econmists who said that risk was removed from the markets in 2007
     
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    Actually there is no such thing as "solar inertia the system has the inertia and you just falsified much of AGW by claiming that the system as a short thermal inertia.
     
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    Because science is allowed to be wrong because being wrong is a part of science. :) And you can hypothesize every scenario to claim you’re right eventually. It’s a fantastic situation to be in when you don’t have to deliver results or be fired. Or you’re only right
    after the world ends and by then it doesn’t matter. Basically you’re allowed to be wrong because if you’re actually right, we’re all doomed anyway. So spend your entire career not having to actually predict anything accurately. Like the weather or hurricanes. A career where being wrong most of he time means you’re doing well.
     
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    So you can in no valid way dispute the studies. Thought so.
     

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