Ukraine expects Israel to recognize the Holodomor genocide !

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  1. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that he expects that Israel will recognize the artificial famine in Ukraine in 1932-1933, also known as the Holodomor, as an act of genocide.

    https://www.unian.info/politics/236...o-recognize-holodomor-as-act-of-genocide.html

    This is a genocide of equally horrific proportions to the Holocaust but most have never heard of it. The reason ? There were many, many Jewish terrorists who were in charge of the Holodomor genocide against ethnic Ukrainian Christians.

    Now, I don't think it was necessarily Christian hate, it's just that - as Trotsky pointed out - Jews were underrepresented in the Soviet regime due to their abundance in city populations.

    While they were following orders from the sadist Stalin, many Jews have been worried the world will see this genocide as being done under the banner of Judaism - which it wasn't.

    The world needs to recognize the Holodomor genoicde !
     
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    According to a Moscow Times article: "The Kremlin argues that genocide is the killing of a population based on their ethnicity, whereas Stalin's regime annihilated all kinds of people indiscriminately, regardless of their ethnicity” Many millions of Soviet citizen of other nationalities have also died; so, was it genocide against Ukrainians, or was it an unfortunate effect of failed Soviet economic experiments?

    This poster thinks, it’s the latter.
     
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    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Below is a quote from Yagoda Genrikh, General of the soviet army who was responsible for war crimes and overseeing the Holdomor genocide.


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    Thanks for starting another interesting thread.


    The following Israeli source extrapolates a bit more about the little known monster, Genrikh Yagota


    "Stalin's Jews"
    "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
    EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.

    In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges.

    Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED
     
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    I didn't knew about that. Thanks!
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree that there should be better education about the Holodomor genocide & its barbarous perpetrators unfortunately the prosperous & selectively sympathetic "Wiesenthal Center" feel like honoring Ukrainian Christians..."...cheapens the memory of Nazi victims"



    "WIESENTHAL CENTER SLAMS UKRAINIAN HOLOCAUST BILL"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Wiesenthal-Center-slams-Ukrainian-Holocaust-bill-408575
    EXCERPT "The Simon Wiesenthal Center has criticized legislation proposed by a Ukrainian Jewish lawmaker to criminalize the denial of both the Holocaust and the Holodomor, claiming that it cheapens the memory of Nazi victims"CONTINUED
     
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    There was a reason Hitler wanted to protect the German people from the Communists.........in the end he failed and 2 million German women were raped, tortured and killed by the Communist army as they moved to Berlin.........many German soldiers were then starved to death in camps after the war.
     
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    Communism/Bolshevism was deeply rooted throughout Germany beginning with the brief Bavarian Soviet Republic (1918 -19).
    There's no question that Stalin was moving Westward. Without Germany the Soviets had the resources, manpower &, I believe, desire, to drive all the way to London.
    Additionally, I lived, worked & studied in Germany in the mid 1970s and, as a Veteran, came to know several German WW2 Vets who had led hard & sad lives that were unrelieved at the end of the war. Their misery usually continued in Soviet Gulags or other Allied Forced Labor Camps Camps.
     
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    It was not failed economic experiment when the Russians sent their NKVD which was the Russian version of the Waffen SS to remove grains and farm animals from central and eastern Ukraine. You ever heard of the Kulaks ? Kulak means fist in Ukrainian and Ukrainian famers when they were told to give up their lands and crops and animals raised their fists in defiance. Most of these farmers could trace their family roots to the the Ukrainian Cossacks so stalin did not like that so he figured if he sped out Ukrainains who under his control he could prevent future uprisings for Ukrainian independence. He was correct because after WWI Russia invaded and occupied central and Eastern Ukraine Poland occupied Western Ukraine and from the dawn of WW II and to this day the most fervent Ukrainian nationalists are left in Western Ukraine with some exceptions.

    No other single ethic group in the USSR was the victim of genocide not even the Tatars who were crunched by Stain and his russians friends.
     
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    To blame the Jews is a historic falsely. Stalin did use the NKVD to commit the genocide and though it may be true that Jews were highly represented in the NKVD it was not because of ethnicity. Historic conditions and the way Jews were treated by Czarist Russian Jews needed up in the vanguard of the Bolshevik movement. Jews were also better educated than the general serf population and most Jews spokes multiple languages. Stalin used the Jews the Jews did not use Stalin. Then during the purges Stalin turned on the Jews. Stalin was an anti semite right from the days he was in the Russian Orthodox seminary studying to be one of make believe priests - aka Russian Orthodox.
     
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    “Anti-Communism is anti-Semitism.”
    Jewish Voice (New York: National Council of Jewish Communists), July-August 1941, p. 23

    There are many admissions by the Jews themselves that they are responsible for communism. Yet people are so brainwashed by Jew media they can't admit the obvious. Jews invented communism,and the Bolshevicks were a Jewish criminal murderous regime.-----------

    QUOTES BY JEWS ON COMMUNISM
    “The part which Jews play in the [Communist] Government of the country [Russia] does not appear to be declining”
    Harry Sacher, in The Jewish Review (London), June-August 1932, p. 43
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    “The revolution in Russia is a Jewish revolution”
    The Maccabean (New York), Nov. 1905, p, 250
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    “Communism and internationalism are in truth and in fact great virtues. Judaism may be justly proud of these virtues”
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    “The picture which the Soviet Union presents today is one that should bring rejoicing to world Jewry.”
    The Youngstown Jewish Times, Sept. 18, 1936, page 51
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    “That achievement - the Russian-Jewish revolution - destined to figure in history as the overshadowing result of World War, was largely the outcome of Jewish thinking, of Jewish discontent, of Jewish effort to reconstruct.”
    The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920
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    Harry Watan, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 80
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    “The [Jewish] Commissaries were formerly political exiles. They had been dreaming of revolution for years in their exile in Paris, in London, in New York, in Berlin, everywhere and anywhere. They saw in the Bolshevist Movement an opportunity of realizing the extreme ideas of Communism and internationalism to which their fate had compelled them.”
    Dr. D. S. Pazmanik, in The Jewish Chronicle (London), September 5, 1919, p. 14
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    These are but a few of the many...but seeing Jews own all mass media,people are likely to have never heard of the Holodomor,but will certainly believe the 6 million b.s.
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    Ya 'think"lol, nothing to think, its been known for decades that it was targeted against ukranians...I "think" youre wrong,lol.
     
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    And millions others... collateral damage?
     
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    This is false: "There were many, many Jewish terrorists who were in charge of the Holodomor genocide against ethnic Ukrainian Christians."

    This program was commanded by the former Seminarian, Joseph Stalin. Orthodox, Jews, and atheists took part in the program of industrialization that grievously injured the peasant population.
     
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    I have limitless respect for those Ukrainians who realised what was going on and burned their food before the soviets could get to it.
     
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    Weird how you can never find fault in your people’s history. Maybe their only fault was being too chosen?
     
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    Spielberg never made a movie about that topic for some reason. In fact, I don’t think any Hollywood studio made a movie about it. Gee, I wonder why?
     
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    The "Red Trains" of drays hauling all the harvest out of Ukraine was Stalin's policy. It has been argued whether Stalin's policies were economic, or genocidal. imo genocidal. Normally economic policy doesn't result in mass deaths. There wasn't a crop failure. Over the decades there has been technical bickering that it wasn't "properly" genocide, but still all the grain was stolen and there was a huge body count and widespread cannibalism. The law imposed on Ukraine was ten years or death for stealing food.

    The economic/agricultural policy of forcing the Kulaks not to grow grain and move to cotton and beets definitely was a factor. Their own land having been stolen from the farmers was definitely a factor.

    imo the agricultural collectivism of Russian Communism was an abyss of tragedy for all the 13 time zones, but would argue that in the Ukraine it was deliberate genocide.

    I was surprised that the USA doesn't recognize the Holomodor.
     
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    Washington state and Wisconsin have already recognized....more states perhaps will follow in due time!
     
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    Oh, we wouldn't to make them seem less than perfect now would we?!?;).
     

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