America the Pariah

One who is so thoroughly indoctrinated/blinded by US government exceptionalist propaganda is in no position to judge anyone. Your lockstep group-think ID speaks for itself.

"very, very rare" indeed. Get an education.





"War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength." - George Orwell, "1984"

 

Of course one can comprehend your apology for brutality. This is part of your indoctrination... and trained response like from a pet monkey. Its the "Just one Bad Apple" defense for Police Brutality.

As with the police ... US brutality is systemic and comes from the Top in many cases "Can you comprehend this" ?

You talk about Syria .. we were sending people to Syria ( and numerous other locations) for Torture - extra-ordinary rendition. This was state policy on a covert basis.

Giving arms (including sophisticated weapons such as surface to air missiles as was used to take out the Russian Fighter the other day - and likely the Egyptian Civilian airliner) to Islamist Extremists such a Al Qaeda - terrorist groups, is not the actions of a "few rogue".. it was state policy.

The decision to arm and support these extremists- an action which resulted in the death of 500,000 and counting, came from the top. This action was the cause of the refugee crisis which is spreading the plague of Islamist extremism all over the world. This action was responsible for the rise of the modern incarnation of ISIS. "Can your brain Comprehend this" ... supporting the same terrorist group that did 911. I doubt it.

In Yemen again we are on the same side as Al Qaeda. Why do you think you hear almost nothing substantive about this conflict on the MSM.

The US has a long history of such brutality. The Bush war in Iraq killed over 100,000 and the Clinton Sanctions on Iraq killed hundreds of thousands more.

Prior to that you had Reagan supporting Saddam while using poison Gas.

Rotten Ronnie was nast-o-rama. He supported terrorists and death squad dictators in Guatemala and El Salvador - even set up a school where the soldiers of death squad dictators were trained in the art of terrorizing the citizens. "School of the America's". - Can your Brain comprehend this ?

Then you have Rotten Ronnie(and others) arming and supporting the Genocidal maniac Suharto (Killed 1/3 of the people of East Timor over a few decades). Not unprecidented Brutality ... but very bad.

Then you had the illegal arming of the Contra's in Nicaragua. Drug were shipped to the US - with full knowledge of CIA director Bush Sr. (who also supported Saddam after his use of Chemical weapons) and the CIA would fill the cartel drug planes with weapons for the Contra's on the way back. "Can your Brain Comprehend this"

When the Military apparatus thought that the news of "intentional" killing of civilians was getting to be too much ... they made up a new name to soften things ... "Collateral Damage". This was very successful and has evolved into terms like "Human Shields". Terms which justify killing of innocent civilians ... terms which justify Brutality.

Iran does not even come close to the amount of killing and brutality and support for terrorists. How many stories of families being killed by drone strikes or missile strikes. Weddings and so on.

I realize that your brain can not comprehend this because it is too full of State Propaganda. So .. you can go back to sleep now.

 

"Goodwill" has nothing to do with it any longer. Washington (the Illuminati if you prefer) have a loaded gun at the back of every Western "play ball's" head. Make no mistake, it's full tilt Mafia tactics from the US. That's how simple it really is.

 

You have a warped view of reality. Sad.

 

The truth will set you free, but you have to open your eyes to see it.

 

If my eyes were closed like yours I wouldn't have been able to see any of what I posted. You are the epitome of cognitive dissonance.

 

And that's only some of the atrocities. How about yet another? The CIA inspired coup of the elected government of Salvador Allende in Chile that led to Pinochet's brutal dictatorship of torture and murder. And another? The CIA aided 1953 coup against Iran's democratically elected prime minister Mohammad Mosaddeq. The list goes on and on and on.

 

Anybody who can say the following is exposed as a nut job.
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"The U.S. also hasn’t signed on to the International Criminal Court. Probably a smart move. Otherwise Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld might actually have been held accountable for, well, war crimes".

 

The first two sentences are true.
The last one is false.

 

Just because reality conflicts with your propaganda bubble does not make reality warped. What is warped is your propaganda bubble and your denial response.

I means seriously .. sitting in the peanut gallery crying "your warped" is not an argument for anything.

I gave a number of examples of Brutality and atrocities either committed by or supported by our Gov't ... such as supporting terrorists and wanton killing of innocents.

There is nothing "warped" about presenting facts. What is warped is when confronted with facts that conflict with ingested state propaganda .... to run to the playground screaming "NO NO NO" prior to sticking head deep in the sandbox of denial.

If reality troubles you this much, perhaps you should go to the Kindergarten Forum where you can learn about "Puff the Magic Dragon"

 

More explanation required. Why should Cheney and Rumsfeld not be held accountable for their war crimes ?

 

While the media avoided the incidents mentioned in my post while they were occurring many of them were discussed after the fact ... and most have had documentaries done.

What I find troubling now is that the media is now avoiding discussion of the past when it reflects negatively on present situations. Nary a day goes by when I don't shake my head at some comment by a "Seasoned Professional" that is completely at odds with history.

What is so troubling is that this person knows for a fact that what is coming out of their own mouth is disingenuous nonsense .. yet they say it anyway.

 

Not to mention Bush, Obama and Trump. Their crimes have nothing to do with membership in the International Criminal Court, they are war crimes as described:

NUREMBERG PRINCIPLES

Principle I

Any person who commits an act which constitutes a crime under international law is responsible therefore and liable to punishment.

Principle II

The fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law.

Principle III

The fact that a person who committed an act which constitutes a crime under international law acted as Head of State or responsible government official does not relieve him from responsibility under international law.

Principle IV

The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.

Principle V

Any person charged with a crime under international law has the right to a fair trial on the facts and law.

Principle VI

The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under international law:

a. Crimes against peace: (i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances; (ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).

b. War crimes: Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave labor or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory, murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.

c. Crimes against humanity: Atrocities and offenses, including but not limited to murder, extermination, deportation, imprisonment, torture, rape, or other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds whether or not in violation of the domestic laws of the country where perpetrated.

Principle VII

Complicity in the commission of a crime against peace, a war crime, or a crime against humanity as set forth in Principle VI is a crime under international law.

Sources: Charter of the International Military Tribunal, Aug. 8, 1945, 59 Stat. 546, 546-47. The U.N. General Assembly unanimously affirmed "the principles of international law recognized by the Charter of Nuremberg Tribunal & the judgment of the Tribunal." G.A. Res. 95(I), 188 U.N. Doc. A/64/Add.1 (1946); International Law Commission formulation. [1950] 2 Y.B. Int'l L. Comm'n 374-78. U.N. Doc. A/CN.4/SER.A/ 1950/Add 1. The Principles are set forth in Dep't of the U.S. Army, Field Manual FM2710, The Law of Land Warfare sec. 498511(1956).

 

As for the Chinese being brutal to Japanese captives, the Japanese had invaded Chinese soil and were in the process of processing the natives. Have a read up on what the Japanese did to the people of Nanjing, for example.

 

Good post

No wonder these folks do not travel outside the country much Cheney in particular should be jailed.

it would be hard to convict Bush for a crime. For criminal conviction you need actus rea ( has to have committed the crime) and mens rea - has to have intended it. Men's rea is why criminal insanity is a valid defense.. hard to prove an insane person intended something.

In the case of Bush - hard to prove the village idiot knew what he was doing when he did it.

 

Am I correct in thinking that your political sensibilities were formed in the 2000s? They seem to be frozen there.

 

My political sensibilities were formed decades before the new millennium. Am I correct in that you are clueless ?

What would be an example of a 2000's political sensibility in your esteemed and informed opinion.

 

Vietnam happened.

US illegal and covert interventions in South and Central America happened.

You do know how many millions of people died as a result of these government sanctioned actions?

As an minuscule example, the US embarrassed themselves and upturned everything it holds dear when it invaded the tiny island democracy of Grenada? An inconsequential island of about 50,000 souls. Spreading freedom and democracy to a free democratic country via the age old doctrine of 'Might is Right'.

And we haven't even come to modern times and the likes of Iraq, Syria, and Libya and the utter catastrophe US intervention has reeked on these nations and wider regions.

 

Concern with the threat anti-terror measures make on civil liberties, overwhelming belief in American foreign policy as a tool of the rich to enrich themselves (especially as an American.) Conspiratorial thinking as an American leftist in general.

I am indeed clueless. I don't profess to know the right answers. That's why year by year I see everything completely differently. I hold opinions that the me of a year or two ago would find deplorable or just plain wrong. But you remind me of people I conversed with over a decade ago.

 

Not really.

https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-in-absentia/

However, in the US, where the rule of law only applies depending on who the accused is (and even then it's not really the rule of law when you get a 99.8% conviction rate), you're absolutely right (e.g. "too big to jail").

It would be extremely difficult to use insanity as an excuse for a standing US President. But the same could be said of the current village idiot. Obama, the "Constitutional professor", not so much.

 

Vietnam was a noble effort to keep a nation free of communism, just like South Korea. But our political left didn't think Asians were worth fighting for. They didn't look like us.

 

Quite right. If a nation of Whites are attacked or their freedom threatened they're all for helping out but if they are Black, Hispanic or Asian they are far less inclined to assist.

 

Real racism is the certitude that foreign people cannot do on their own. You killed far more Asians than you helped by going out of your way to make war half a world away. Keep your "love" to yourself.

 

I think we should be a bit fair here by recognising that the US, in its wisdom ( ), is passionate about spreading democracy to all other countries in the world - whether they want it or not; and apparently most don't. I also think that a period of reflection, humility and voluntary isolation would be in order? In other words, to keep the **** out of the affairs of other countries.