So where do we go from here?

NYT's WaPO. It was all over the media for a year.

But as for links, carry your own water - I'm not your research assistant.

 

Why would I need a definition of hacked when the DNC server wasn't hacked?

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/?print=pdf

 

Thanks for the demonstration of your critical thinking skills. Methinks you really need that fiver.

 

Where do we go from here? I think the left need to launch another investigation. You know, to keep finding more crimes the left have committed.

 

Either of you care to cite any source that claims any intelligence agency says Trump colluded with Russia.

 

Nobody has been charged with any crime related to the Trump campaign colluding with Russia to effect the election

 

Now you are just making the **** up.

 

It is amazing that even when the fake news is proven fake, you all still run around screaming it from the hill tops, acting like it is some kind of fact. You all seriously live in fairytale land. It is starting to seem like a clinical concern and in all seriousness you may need professional help. I hope you are joking, I'm afraid you all could hurt yourselves if left untreated.

 

Everything you listed was just as valid in 2012 and 2008. But something is different. Hmm...I wonder what it could be???

 

So changing your tune about the Russians "hacking" the US election?

 

Er, no actually its not even remotely close. apparently you are not familiar with the term technological development.

It took years of development by the Kleptocracy across a broad range of technologies empowered by social media and advances in information processing and targeting. All of it driven by KGB developed misinformation techniques adapted to the quantum leap in reach afforded by social media use and changing media consumption landscape.

And America's arse is still waving in the air, butt naked. You should be proud.

 

You've not made the case that "technological development" has made Russian interference worse in 2016 than in previous years. Just stating the phrase "technological development" doesn't do the trick. Why don't you tell me what was SO different about 2016 and how it made a difference?

 

I agree with this, mostly. I am not a fan of how tactless the president is, especially with our allied countries. We have been helping each other, mostly, for many years. I don't think it is appropriate or necessary to poke a sharp stick in the eyes of our allies.

Nevertheless, perhaps the tax cut for corporations will help our business climate. So far it looks promising. I think it is helpful to put our corporate tax rate near to what other democratic countries do. I don't, however, agree with the tax cuts for individuals in this instance. If this were a corporate cut that was revenue neutral, I'd say fine. But it isn't. Almost all economists seem to say that this will increase our deficit, even accounting for the increase in business activity. This tax cut then, is just a loan to us now, that our kids will have to pay back for us. That is just shameless.

These same claims that business activity would make up for the tax cut were made for Reagan's and Bush's tax cuts, and our deficits increased a lot. Under Bush, we doubled the deficit. Republicans are supposed to be minding the store. I really don't get this.

Again, corporate tax cuts, fine. Revenue neutral tax cuts, fine. Deficit spending tax cuts, not so much.

 

Here's what the DNI concluded:

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Here's the minority from the senate foreign relations committee

https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/FinalRR.pdf

I realize you aren't up on all the various developments that have taken place over the past couple of years. If I explained to you that detailed profile data of virtually every citizen in almost every industrialized nation is available to anyone with a few bucks, you'd say so what. If I detailed the giant improvements in message targeting to profile that has occurred in the past two years, you'd say so what. If I detailed how social media use has evolved and created the ideal conditions for disinformation, you'd say so what.

Its okay I realize that many people don't know what they don't know and have no interesting in learning about what they don't know.

 

We're clearly talking past each other. The fact that the Russians didn't have Facebook or Twitter to use in the 1970's says nothing about Russian intent to influence. They have always wanted to, and when available attempted to, influence not only our public opinion, but our elections. How else did your country wind up with Prime Minister Zoolander? No rational electorate would have made that choice.

I realize for the left, Russia have been the good guys on the world stage until 2013, when a mysterious process began that went from, "Tell Vlad I'll have more leeway..." to outright McCarthyism 2.0 by 2016. You guys are so far behind on understanding Russia that it would be impossible to educate you. The fact that you've gone from one extreme to another in regards to Russia demonstrates that.

So...good luck with that I guess.

 

WE ended up with Trudeau because he and his party had the better platform. We don't vote directly for our prime minister, he is the leader of the party that garners the most seats in parliament.

I am well aware of Russian intent. I grew up during the cold war.

The Kleptocracy of Putin's russia is as corrupt and malevolent as the soviets were. I am well aware of what is going on with russia.

Funny how Trump refused to implement additional sanctions on russia despite having signed a law to do exactly that?

Too bad you so far ahead on understanding russia, you can't see what going on right in front of your face.

 

I'm onto you, Jonsa, and you know it!!

 

I haven't got MPD you know!

(multiple personality disorder?)

 

Huh? Colour me utterly confused this. Maybe you need to clarify your thoughts here?

 

I was referring to you and Lil Mike who you quoted in your post. I'll take that as an answer of no.

 

Well I do know you couldn't possibly be cute enough to be onto me. But hey, keep wishing. Somebody will inevitably show you some love.

 

I grew up during the cold war too, and I remember which side people like you were on.

 

If you go back and read my response to each of your posts, it will all be made clear.

 

Sounds like you were on McCarthy's side. Or it could just bet the faulty memory that comes with senior citizenship.

 

Heh, those are the two sides you remember? McCarthy and anti-imperialists? LOL!