Guns don't kill, they are used by those that kill

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  1. Mike12

    Mike12 Well-Known Member

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    A gun cannot stand on it's feet, target someone and kill them. A deranged, loser who wants to kill can.

    Sure we can ban all guns and suppress freedoms so that we have no gun violence but this is not a world i would like to live in. Ask Cubans if Fidel let citizens use guns, ask any present and former dictator if they allowed citizens to own guns. The first thing a tyrant does is take guns away from citizens, history proves this.

    The problem with banning guns is that we are trying to treat symptoms but not curing anything. Those who whine about guns divert attention to what we really need to be addressing - culture.

    Over the past decades we have seen video game, drug culture take over and with everyone having access to social media, things have just gotten worse. Losers, ISIS sympathizers, outcasts and mentally deranged people have found a home on the internet, where they congregate, spread hate and create cults where they all feel welcomed. These people feed off each other, plan evil things and eventually, one is crazy enough to carry an act.

    Millions spend their times on the internet, looking at porn, playing games, bullying others on social media, planning bad things, joining bad groups (ISIS) instead of being socially active, reading books, playing sports, studying, working, hanging out with friends. The internet age has unleashed pure evil and there is no turning back. This is the main reason we have so many f-d up people and unless culture changes, this will continue.

    Guns have always been around but we have never had so many mass shootings, it's culture that has degraded. With the advent of the internet, virtual worlds have been created where f'd up people congregate to orchestrate evil acts or allow themselves to be sucked into a dark world which brings out the worst in them. Not only have mass shootings gone up, video game addictions, drug addictions also have risen, so have suicides. If we keep blaming guns and not addressing the actual causation, thing will never change.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some say guns shouldn't be allowed because they are designed to kill.

    Why do police have guns then? Why does the military have guns?
    How about security guards?

    Is it because killing is not always a bad thing?
    Yes, that may sound kind of extreme to some people, but stop and think about it.
    There is a distinction between murder and killing. Of course, killing is never something to be taken lightly, but there are some situations where the net benefit to the rest of society outweighs the cost, and the person being killed made the choice to put themselves into that situation.

    The majority of us would hope that we never find ourselves in that situation, where we feel compelled to have to weigh the life of one person against those of others.

    Someone who just wanted to murder another individual would have plenty of opportunities to do so without a gun (unless the intended victim was an important person). But a gun allows quick reaction time by those who have one against someone else who is in the imminent process of trying to do harm. Seen from that perspective, a gun is really a defensive tool.

    Of course (in response to critics here) it's unlikely an individual would be able to protect themselves if someone was trying to murder them, but it's much easier to protect other people. If that wasn't the case, important politicians wouldn't go around with security guards.
     
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    Guns Don't Kill People....they just make it much easier and some of them are built specifically to kill as many as possible in as short a time as possible. Explosives don't kill people, they just allow other people to do so without risking themselves. Wars don't kill people, some people just get in the way and must be eliminated.
     
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    The commie gun-grabbers are just tilting at windmills again (Imaginary and wrong targets).

    Per usual, all they're angling for is to paint themselves as virtuous and their enemies as evil ("deplorable"). 100% cynicism, 0% sincerity. You'd think after being sent to wander in the political wilderness beginning in 2010 and culminating in the election of Trump (of all people! hehehe), they'd revamp and retool their tactics....versus double down on the same tired lies and failed narratives, as they have.
     
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    Lefties do not want to look at society to see the mess they have made. Mass shootings have increased with the increased influence of the left on society. Case in point: liberals mostly run schools, hence more school shootings.

    This is one reason the left blames inanimate objects for killing. We all know it is not the guns.
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    I agree with you regarding how guns can’t kill someone by themselves, but are you blaming video games and other media? So many scientific studies have shown no correlation between violent video games and violence in real life. Same thing goes for violent movies.

    That being said, the news media may have some level of responsibility a la copy-cat crimes. And mental health treatment needs more widespread accessibility and affordability.
     
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    LMAO ... great stuff, teco

    The guy does a GREAT job making the paranoid gun nuts ... look like a bunch of paranoid gun nuts... :thumbsup:
     
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    Someone could write a science fiction book about a futuristic society where 99.9% of the entire population had a computer chip implanted in their brain that would prevent them from harming or killing anyone else, even in self-defense. But a small percentage of these people would be "deviants", where somehow the implanted chip control in their brain didn't work. Then it would basically be like wolves released into a pen of sheep and an entire crowd could do nothing to stop a deranged psychopath serial killer.
    I think the 1993 action-film Demolition Man was based around a similar line of thought.

    Of course, if you live in a higher density urban area with police (i.e. men with guns) who can respond to a scene in under 6 minutes, maybe you don't need to worry about this. But just a thought, what if the cell phone signals in an area stopped working? It's happened before after natural disasters, or its potentially conceivable criminals could engineer the event to greatly slow down the police response time. A lot of homes and businesses don't even have landlines anymore. Or you ever watch those old movies (before cellphones) where someone is going to be kidnapped? What's the first thing the kidnappers do? Cut the phone line to the house before they go in.
     
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    the virtual world has truly created a culture of mass shootings. See where ISIS recruits people, where losers chat about dark stuff, where losers find a life, where the mentally deranged get sexual gratification... ONLINE. Read all the stories of the bullying online? It's really f-d up. Guns have been around forever and yet suicides, mass shootings were rare before 90s. After the online virtual world was unleashed, things have gotten worse.

    Video games don't create mass killers but many of these mass shooters spent a lot of time on the internet, getting brainwashed by propaganda, spreading hate on social media and playing games. Video games? look up the two columbine shooters, the Sandy Hook shooter and the Colorado aurora shooter, all were obsessed with video games.

    The virtual world has been the #1 reason for all these evils, it's just a fact. It's simple. In today's world, if you are socially awkward or just different, you can easily take the easy way out and do the following - get off to porn instead of getting a gf, play video games all day instead of hanging out with friends, look up groups that would welcome you in (ISIS, cults etc..) who specifically look for losers; look up escorts online instead of getting a gf. The virtual world is a way for these types of people to escape reality, belong to something, ignore problems... This type of life creates monsters, may take time but it does. There is a direct link between all this and an epidemic with mass shootings and other problems. The virtual world gives these people a way out, a way to live a life of fantasy, addicted to destructive and unhealthy behaviors.
     
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    Fret not, good citizen, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
     
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    You are correct. There is a time to kill. Who kills whom, when, where, how and why is up for debate.
    Who are the right people to kill is not always clear. Take abortion for example. At first blush, it might seem that babies are not the right people to kill. On the other hand, if not for safe, legal abortion, there would now be, among us here in the US, another sixty million people all raised by mothers who would have just as soon killed them had it been legal. So, perhaps abortion does kill the right people.
     
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    My son and I fired guns about 350 times today. They must be broken because nobody was killed or injured.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your son is now safer around firearms than is any boy who has yet to encounter them. Good Dad.
     
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    I suppose we could all walk around all day and sleep with holsters and loaded firearms so we would be prepared for these deadly invaders intent on killing us. We could strategically place loaded weapon throughout our homes so no matter what window or door they used we would hear the alarms we installed which tell us exactly where they are so we can shoot them.
    While in Public it would be easy enough to have our guns on us and easily drawn in the event of our enemies deciding to interrupt coffee to kill us, and going to the gym would be simple as target practice...everyone else would feel completely secure knowing we were armed and ready to protect them from the crazies.
     

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