Nikolas Cruz wants to escape death penalty by pleading guilty

Forget the hyperbole for a minute. What percentage of liberals do you think support the death penalty?

 

Due process and penalties for crimes are totally unrelated. Whoever executes a human being is committing murder, due process or not, state sanctioned or not.

The spectacle of a public execution is the epitome of barbarism. If you enjoy such sport, the Saudis have an even gorier spectacle for you, public beheadings and amputations. Perhaps you might want to take your children since you advocate that the kiddies should be watching. The difference is that in Hollywood, the actors are always unharmed and most know that. As for video games, well those are just pixels on a screen.

 

Rather than respond to someone with a real reasoned argument, you emote. Pathetic.

 

One sees these sorts of liberals at every execution. Just Google "Tookie Williams Protest" and you will see what they look like.

 

Anyone who buys this “apology” are fools. Even if he is mentally unstable, he WANTED to kill people! He didn’t just “snap”, he actually wanted to do it! It’s so obvious that he’s only showing remorse to save his own a**!

I’m more of an Independent, but I do lean left and am pro-death penalty. Does that count me in the 1%?

 

Including abortion?

As for spectacle what do you call what happened in florida last week?

 

What you call anecdotal evidence I call common sense. Like I said before, back in the day when people were executed by the electric chair criminals often stated that they refrained from killing someone because they didn't want to be sentenced to death by the electric chair. Nothing anecdotal about this claim. It is true. Ask anyone you know who was alive in the 1950s and they will tell you the same thing. Also, vaccines were not developed by liberal social scientists, that's for sure. And no, I don't trust the court system. It is totally corrupt and needs to be reformed. I think our system is designed to maximize profit for lawyers, not for justice.

 

I commend you for being independent. I am also independent but lean right or libertarian.

 

It is a perfect example of anecdotal evidence; you take supposed statements from supposed people to demonstrate something which is not confirmed by countless major studies carried out over many years.

How strange, that the murder rate back then was no lower than today.

You said the word of a few random people was enough evidence for you. But that's not actually true. You just ignore the scientific method when it contradicts your claims.

...and yet, you trust it to never execute an innocent person. Strange that.

 

Introducing red herrings into the issue of state sanctioned and/or public executions is not a valid argument in defense of these.

 

Those protesters believed Williams was innocent.

Apples to oranges fallacy.

Try again.

 

If he's found guilty then he should get the death penalty and get it fast. We all know that eventually liberals there will come a time when liberals will say he's rehabilitated and should be released - we already know most of them will fight any death penalty he might get because when it comes to murdering people with guns the only people libs want to punish are gun owners who committed no crime.

 

Calling legal executions murder is what caused me to bring up abortion

 

Well there are some exceptions. If my memory is correct liberal demonstrators were screaming for Tim McVeigh to be "fried." Also, they sure supported the de facto death sentence of the David Koresh people. Liberals are all for the death penalty when applied to those the consider conservatives. For run of the mill criminals they want rehabilitation.

 

Sure they thought he was innocent much like they thought he founded the West Side Crips (as he said) to protect the people against racism and police brutality.

 

I would prefer they got LWOP if my loved one, no idea what the afterlife holds, punish him here while we have the power to do so, then he can move on to the next life

if the victims want a trial, let them have one... should not be his choice... if they want a plea deal, that should also be up to the victims

 

executing a person that is innocent is murder, the witch trials comes to mind, none of them were guilty of anything, they were murdered

 

Unborn children are innocent of any crime

But cruz is clearly guilty and needs to die

 

Like I said. Apples to oranges.

Try again.

 

We do have something called "The law". The whole point of it is to base the actions of the government on established laws, and the victims are the very worst candidates to determine proper legal procedure.

 

So, are you calling me a liar for opposing the death penalty in all cases?

 

He must be able to plead insanity. After all, he is.

 

Not at all. If you are consistent that is I guess a good thing. Most people are not consistent.

 

Not apples to oranges at all. Just pointing out that anyone who really thought Tookie Williams was a choir boy is a moron.

 

I think that, 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you' is as close to a moral absolute as we can get, and it's a good one to think about deeply.