Sheriff: Armed officer at school never entered building during shooting

If that was his attitude, he had no business taking that position.

 

There are some teachers like the football coach. If he had a gun he'd have used it and saved even more lives than he did.

 

That's your first mistake about today's society.

 

I don't see many people that want every gun illegal, even on this board. Yes, there are some, but their opinion is just as unrealistic and worthless as those who want no gun regulations/restrictions.

There is a reasonable middle ground somewhere on this matter, but both sides do not delve into reasonable middle ground.

 

I suspect that until these little snowflake mass killers are stopped by deadly counterforce they will continue to attack soft targets like the schools

 

Not really prudent to try and speak for dead people's beliefs, motives, etc..

 

Wtf??

 

I would want him to use it even if some kids were caught in the crossfire

But ultimately we have to have security fences and metal detectors, fences and controlled access to the schools

Merely arming teachers is not enough

 

Consequences are the opposite of how they were raised.

 

I'm all for a multifaceted approach to school safety with layers of defense

 

Yeah, they are true terrorists. They will search for the most vulnerable target.

I appreciate the various thoughts and ideas going on about this, whether it be arming teachers, metal detectors, armed security. Even gun regulation. At least the various ideas are being discussed, albeit often not in a very conducive manner. Alas, if we spend $1T as a nation to make our schools fortresses, the target will just be moved to another gathering place (churches, malls, etc.).

 

Right

They are the no-score girls softballl generation that no one ever said no to

 

So how can you call the guy a coward.

When I was in the army I've seen guys claim to be going ho but at the moment of truth they froze up. Does that mean they are cowards

 

So much for a good guy with a gun bullshit, then. This blows the NRA ammosexual narrative out of the water. There's a trained, armed officer of the law right there and even he can't perform under pressure.

Bbbbbbbu..bu..bu.but let's arm all the teachers, they'll magically turn into super heroes and engage active shooters with no problem. The good guy with a gun failed these kids. No big deal though, right? You're fine with dead kids as long as you're not mildly inconvenienced when buying a gun.

 

I have also and I've seen people freeze up doesn't make them a coward

 

Not sure why you are so incredulous. If the guy who applied for and was hired to provide armed security at a school was unwilling to actually perform that duty, he should not have taken the job.

I see a lot of keyboard warriors here, puffing up, and the reality is, a lot of people would have hesitated outside the building. Any rational person would have been scared sh1tless about opening that door and engaging a shooter. However, if one is not able to overcome that fear and enter anyway, they have no business in that position. Simple reality is, he was not cut out for the position, but likely took it thinking his inadequacy would never matter since he would not be put into that position. He took it, and children died because he cowered outside the building for 4 minutes (or whatever it was).

 

Even more are asking for sane gun controls so people like this don't get their hands on guns in the first place. Of course we can't have safe children because you could be *gasp* slightly inconvenienced next time you buy a gun.

 

Yes

Fear is natural but only cowards let the fear control them

I think if we could dissect officer pederson to see what makes him tick there is a 50/50 chance that he was most worried about doing the wrong thing and being criticized lster

If he took action maybe one of his stray bullets would kill a child by mistake and then he would face disciplinary action

whereas if he does nothing maybe (hopefuuly from his point of view) no one will notice

But this time it didnt work out for him that way

 

That's easy to say when you have never been in that situation, we all love to say what we would do.

 

Actually it does. And being a coward, by itself, is not 100% d@mning. What is d@mning is letting your fear make you fail in your duty and responsiblity. If he is not willing to open that door and try to stop the shooting, then he should be sitting safely at home, tucked away at his computer, making comments on a message board. He shouldn't be accepting a position that he is not going to fulfill.

Everybody would be afraid if put into that position. However, you don't put yourself into that position unless you are going to overcome your fear and do the job you have been entrusted with.

Somewhat related personal story: I have a lot of friends in DHS, including CBP. A friend of mine went to the academy with a girl who had no intention of using her firearm. One night, after classes, a group was sitting in a common area, shooting the sh1t about the job, and she said she would never shoot anybody. "What if your partner's life was in jeopardy? Nope." "Then why did you take this job?" "The pay and benefits are great. It will never come up anyway." The group, as a whole, reported her to her instructors, and she was kicked out the next day.

 

We know what many teachers did and it was not to barricade themselves in the teachers lounge

I will state the obvious because it is so obvious

This was not a civilian but a 30 year veteran of law enforcement who was trained to respond to danger

 

Yep, but we don't all take a position in which there are necessary actions in that situation. He is a coward. Not because he wouldn't go into the building, but because he took the job in which people's lives were reliant on him going into the building, and then he didn't go in.

 

Well said

He was ROAD kill, meaning retired on active duty

who was psid $100,000 ladt year while waiting for his benefits to arrive

 

What if the teacher (much more likely) was the one frozen in fear like the trained cop who sat outside was while the kids died? It's so ridiculous to think that on top of the rigors and training of being a teacher we throw on "occasional rambo" on a teacher's plate. How many kids would have to die in accidents because teachers were running around with firearms? How many thoughts and prayers would we offer up when the inevitable happens when you mix people and guns together? No, the solution isn't more guns and turning schools into prisons.

 

Then you have a teacher who does not engage the shooter, just like you have right now. However, arming the teacher increases the likelihood of an armed defendant taking action.