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gophangover · Feb 28, 2018

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The Bible does not anywhere indicate that tithing is applicable or expected in our time at all. It was a system which was brought in following the exodus from Egypt and the forming of the children of Israel into a nation of their own.

Their nation was divided into 12 tribes, and 11 of these tribes grew crops, had animals, inherited land etc. The twelfth tribe, Levi, were the priests and administrators of the nation, and had no land, animals, crops etc, so the 11 tribes had to give the tribe of Levi 10% of their income. This mathematically works out that they were then all equal, because from this part which was given to the tribe of Levi, they still had to make their own offering of a tenth to God, the same as the other tribes had to. (see Numbers 18:25-39)

The tithing to give to the Levites was basically playing the same part as our taxes do today – our taxes pay for the everyday administration of our country. The Levites did everything from attending the tabernacle/temple, judging disputes, dignosing illnesses, being the judicial system etc.

Tithing was part of the old law, or what is sometimes referred to as ‘the law of Moses’. It was given specifically to the nation of Israel, God’s chosen people:

Ezekiel 20:10-12 “Therefore I led them out of Egypt and brought them into the desert.
I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them.
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the LORD made them holy.”

The law of Moses was a law of sacrificing to God for the atonement of sins. This was looking forward to the time when the one true sinless Lamb, Jesus Christ, would be offered to atone for the sins committed by Adam and Eve. When Jesus came, and as a sinless sacrifice for our sinful nature, he fulfilled the old law by his sacrifice and brought in a new one, referred to as ‘the law of Christ’. The old law was then complete, it was obsolete.

Romans 10:44 “Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.”

Tithing was part of the old law which was done away with. We cannot continue with parts of the law which we choose, the old law was gone. The Jews continued with the old law because they refused to recognize the true position of Jesus Christ, that he was he was God’s only son. So if we keep on with parts of the old law, we are doing the same. We as christians have never been under the old law, it was only following the rejection of Christ by the Jews that we, as ‘Gentiles’ were given the opportunity to be part of God’s plan.

Money was definitely donated for the purpose of supporting very poor members in Jerusalem, but never to pay to a leader so that became his income.

Voluntarily helping someone, as the Macedonian brethren did for Paul, is quite different from tithing. We should be aware of others needs, and when we see the opportunity to help privately, then we should do so. The message of the New Testament is that our offerings in God’s service should be voluntary and that no amount is set, and that the accumulation of wealth, even by a church, is not right. Rather we should give to the poor.

One of the very great dangers of churches demanding tithes is the accompanying perceived threat or fear that acceptance by God depends on the amount of money given. That acceptance is something money cannot buy. Often pastors of churches who tithe are very wealthy people – at the expense of their congregations, yet they often claim that they are wealthy because they have been blessed by God! Yet Paul could say, “I will very gladly spend for you everything I have and expend myself as well……I have not been a burden to you.” (2 Corinthians 12:16).
http://www.bible.org.nz/where-in-the-bible-does-it-say-you-are-to-give-10-of-your-income-for-tithes/

In Matthew 17:24-27, we learn that Jesus did indeed pay taxes:

After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax came to Peter and asked, "Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?"

"Yes, he does," he replied.

When Peter came into the house, Jesus was the first to speak. "What do you think, Simon?" he asked. "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own sons or from others?"

"From others," Peter answered.

"Then the sons are exempt," Jesus said to him. "But so that we may not offend them, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours." (NIV)

The Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke each tell of another account, when the Pharisees tried to trap Jesus in his words, and find a reason to accuse him. In Matthew 22:15-22, we read:

Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"

But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"

"Caesar's," they replied.

Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
https://www.thoughtco.com/bible-on-paying-taxes-700647

You put a lot of work into that deflection. I could be wrong but didn't you earlier dismiss Jesus?

Somebody spoke of Jesus. I piped up that when he lived, taxes by the Romans were 10 percent. Across the board.

Jesus was content with 10 percent. This nation charges a lot of humans far more than 10 percent. My church is the only church I can speak of and my church does expect 10 percent. The money they collect flows to the poor, to those in need and to victims. It also provides more buildings. We do not pay the clergy.
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And I proved you wrong yet again with that post. So you start another circular false argument about me dismissing Jesus. And wrong about Jesus being content about Roman taxes being 10%.
Jesus said to "give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's", not just 10%.
If you knew that baring false witness against Jesus brought the karma of being reincarnated as a peasant in Haiti, would you continue? Pretty obvious.
Like all cons, that continue to argue when they know they been caught, like Tramp continuing his "It's a hoax".

Robert · Feb 28, 2018

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And I proved you wrong yet again with that post. So you start another circular false argument about me dismissing Jesus. And wrong about Jesus being content about Roman taxes being 10%.
Jesus said to "give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's", not just 10%.
If you knew that baring false witness against Jesus brought the karma of being reincarnated as a peasant in Haiti, would you continue? Pretty obvious.
Like all cons, that continue to argue when they know they been caught, like Tramp continuing his "It's a hoax".
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No, I asked a question about you. From the question, you fly off the handle. This is normal for you to do.

Taxes by the Romans were 10 percent and that is why i said Jesus used 10 percent.

If you mean by con, I am not liberal in the same context as the founders, you are wrong. I call myself a true liberal.

I will let you babble on about reincarnation.

Robert · Feb 28, 2018

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Again, your logic fails you. Obama slapped Russia with sanctions that Tramp refused to allow. Tramp is the one that has done nothing about Russian meddling. It is Russia that helped Tramp to become POTUS, not who Obama wanted. It is Tramp that continues to defend Russia, not liberals.
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When did Obama finally get around to his sanctions that you use? I believe two months past the election appx. He was told in May 2016 and you think i need applaud the man over dicking around until he was about to depart? He screwed off far too long if you wanted to stop the Russians.

Trump can't unmeddle the Russians. And he never played a role in it. Trump has announced what is going on reference Russia but Democrats are not interested in what he did to punish the Russians. Were they interested, they would know by this time what Trump has done to the Russians.

Robert · Feb 28, 2018

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Again, your logic fails you. Obama slapped Russia with sanctions that Tramp refused to allow. Tramp is the one that has done nothing about Russian meddling. It is Russia that helped Tramp to become POTUS, not who Obama wanted. It is Tramp that continues to defend Russia, not liberals.
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Why did the Russians you so dread try to get Sanders elected?

gophangover · Feb 28, 2018

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When did Obama finally get around to his sanctions that you use? I believe two months past the election appx. He was told in May 2016 and you think i need applaud the man over dicking around until he was about to depart? He screwed off far too long if you wanted to stop the Russians.

Trump can't unmeddle the Russians. And he never played a role in it. Trump has announced what is going on reference Russia but Democrats are not interested in what he did to punish the Russians. Were they interested, they would know by this time what Trump has done to the Russians.
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I expect you to admit that Obama did something not nothing, as you claimed.
Tramp CAN stop the Russians....another of your false claims.
You never get tired of being wrong, do you.

gophangover · Feb 28, 2018

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Why did the Russians you so dread try to get Sanders elected?
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Yet another attempt to deflect.

gophangover · Feb 28, 2018

Robert said: ↑

No, I asked a question about you. From the question, you fly off the handle. This is normal for you to do.

Taxes by the Romans were 10 percent and that is why i said Jesus used 10 percent.

If you mean by con, I am not liberal in the same context as the founders, you are wrong. I call myself a true liberal.

I will let you babble on about reincarnation.
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And yet again I prove you wrong...
When foreign rulers took over the region of Palestine, they also imposed taxes. In the time of Jesus, Judea was part of the Roman province of Syria. According to Bible-history.com, Roman taxes totaled one percent of a man's income. Doesn't seem like much, does it? But there were other taxes:
https://www.thecompassnews.org/2016/04/taxes-came-due-jesus-time/

Fenton Lum · Feb 28, 2018

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I'll put an obese math teacher with a 9 mil up against a nineteen year old with an AR-15 any day!

It's no contest. That kid doesn't have a chance.
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We should be able to wager on this on line, I smell revenue.

Ned Lud · Mar 1, 2018

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And apparently you can't follow through on your tough guy talk either
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Bang you're dead! There you are - pure American bullshit! You buggers are incredibly stupid when you turn on the trumplicking.

squidward · Mar 1, 2018

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Bang you're dead! There you are - pure American bullshit! You buggers are incredibly stupid when you turn on the trumplicking.
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What does this have to do with Trump?
Look at the internet tough guy slink away on its belly like a snake. Very entertaining

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