Most of those kids aren't shot at school but near home and by illegally obtained firearms. I'm open for proof that I am wrong.
And where are they getting their guns from? Michael Moore explains in his book Stupid White Men: "Nonetheless, we have about a quarter-billion guns in our homes, owned - that is, introduced into society- by white people. Each year about 500,000 guns are stolen, mostly from these same white people in the suburbs. And the vast majority of those guns end up in the inner city, sold cheaply or traded for legal or illegal goods and service. "These white guns have caused an enormous amount of death and suffering among African-Americans. Gunfire is the number one cause of death among young blacks. Black men between the ages of fifteen and twenty-four are almost six times more likely to be shot to death than white men in that same age group. "No African-American owns a gun company. Cruise through the part of your town where African-Americans live: there are no gun factories there. At prices that range from several hundred to several thousand dollars, most African-Americans can't afford to buy a Glock, Beretta, Luger, Colt, or Smith & Wesson. No black guy owns a plane that's smuggling automatic weapons into the country. "All of this is done by whites. But sooner or later, thousands of these legally purchased guns end up in the hands of desperate people who live in poverty and who live with their own set of fears. To introduce guns into this volatile environment- which we white people have done little to improve- is a deadly proposition. "So if you're white, and you'd like to help reduce the number one cause of death among young black men, here's the answers: Don't buy a gun. Don't keep one in your house or car. No guns laying means no guns stolen to be resold in poor black neighborhoods. Chill out, sit back, and enjoy the good life an unlevel-playing-field has given you. If you're truly concerned about your protection, get a dog. Bad guys generally don't want to tussle with a crazy barking animal with sharp teeth. "You don't need a gun."
you are making a false assumption-that "lax gun laws" cause black kids to get shot. That is a faith based belief on your part that is devoid of factual support most blacks killed with firearms are felons killed by other felons-people who cannot legally own firearms
So don't exercise a right? How does this stop straw purchases? The racism inherent in this diatribe, in that white people are capable of managing their emotions and actions to not kill people but those Black people just aren't capable, so the white people have to take extra care of those Black people so they don't kill each other. The number one cause of death among young black men is other young black men.
its the racism of low expectations. Moore is a racist POS. what he is saying is blacks cannot help themselves. They cannot stop from stealing guns from white folks and then shooting each other. SO we "smarter" white people cannot own guns because blacks cannot help themselves That is what Moore is saying
I fully recognize that white people misuse guns too. In fact, nearly 80% of gun suicide victims are white males. Moore explained one valid reason to support more restrictions on guns. That doesn't mean that is the only justification for gun control. Gun control can save both black and white lives. It can be a win-win for everyone. My intent was to point out the hypocrisy of gun apologists who complain that Democrats don't do enough to help black people.
I'm all in favor of enforcing the laws we have now to protect everyone. I pointed out the 10 or so felonies committed getting a handgun from Indiana to a gang banger in Chicago. And the lack of enforcement of gun crimes in Chicago. We have so much we can do with current laws that don't require laws that infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens. Moore didn't say we needed more restrictions. He said, "So if you're white, and you'd like to help reduce the number one cause of death among young black men, here's the answers: Don't buy a gun. Don't keep one in your house or car." If you picked up "Moore explained one valid reason to support more restrictions on guns" from that, what restrictions do you suggest that would make white people "Don't buy a gun. Don't keep one in your house or car"?
It's true that Moore didn't advocate any specific gun laws in that excerpt. His focus was on taking personal responsibility and developing a social conscience. He wants people to be more aware of and care about how their choices negatively affect the disadvantaged in society. However, black people getting shot with guns trafficked from white neighborhoods is also a good reason to support more gun control. So he did provide a good reason for more restrictions on guns. I support enforcing current gun laws. I also support passing new laws to close the loopholes in current gun laws.
I love those nonsensical whimsical stylings of People such as Moore, Oooh, don't own a gun, as if being defenseless will help anything. Such poofery personified.
"The idea that having a gun is the only way to ensure 'home protection' is a myth. Fewer than 1 out of 4 violent crimes is committed while the victim is at home. Among all the instances when guns are fired during a break-in while the owner is at home, in only 2 percent are guns used to shoot the intruder. The other 98 percent of the time, residents accidentally shoot a loved one or themselves- or the burglars take the gun and kill them with it." - Michael Moore You, of course, will probably persist in your delusions.
No one here is saying that a gun is the only way to ensure home protection. That's a straw man argument. "Among all the instances when guns are fired during a break-in while the owner is at home, in only 2 percent are guns used to shoot the intruder. The other 98 percent of the time, residents accidentally shoot a loved one or themselves- or the burglars take the gun and kill them with it" I'd really like to see the data on this one.
Michael Moore is delusional, and so are you if you post his raving nonsense as fact. He's a lying POS.
All I can say is that I have defended myself many times, successfully, with firearms, and none of the so called Prophesies of Doom & Gloom have come true, I have only shot those Criminals threatening imminent harm, and those Armed Cretins never troubled another living soul. Delusion ? I think not. Fact.
Since any and all laws in existence can easily be broken and subverted, simply by an individual deciding that they are not going to comply with it, how does any particular law qualify as being "lax" as opposed to others?
All that Michael Moore has to contribute is intentional intellectual dishonesty, racism, blaming the victim for the actions of the criminal aggressor, and outright hatred for what is a constitutional right, along with telling others to not exercise their constitutional rights, as if such were a valid argument. Along with such, Michael Moore presents the notion that black individuals are physically unable to control their own negative impulses and simply have no choice but to engage in the murder of one another. He presents the image of black individuals being a substandard, subhuman species with no more intelligence, either individually or collectively, or wild, rabid animals that possess no concept such as impulse control. That is what is presented when the notion comes down to white individuals being required to assume responsibility for the crimes of black individuals.
Then why is he not advocating for black individuals to take personal responsibility, and simply refrain from killing others? Why are they not being blamed for the crimes that they are committing? Why is the responsibility of those that own firearms, but not those that actually engage in the killing? Michael Moore is blaming those who are victims of theft, for illegal actions committed with their legally owned property that was stolen from them.
I agree, but what makes this a tipping point for me is these the "events" are now constantly occuring. There is no let up. They aren't rare events anymore. They are the norm. They will keep happening and as they do the same response will keep manifesting. It is the dominant response because of the constantly occurring nature of these attacks. I think the emotions are on both sides. I don't see the shooters rights brigade as having a remotely intellectual position. Pure emotion. I love my favourite toy.
I am at the tipping point for banning texting and driving, cell phones gotta go and if not then all those snow flake school age children need a national march upon the mall to rid themselves of something much worse than guns. eh?
Pray tell what changed in the united states society to make such events appear to become commonplace?
Nothing has changed. You've had massacre after massacre and been very accepting of them. The more you accept them. The more they are socially acceptable. The cancer has been allowed to grow and it has. You won't change anything until it reaches crisis point and from my perspective, you are there. You've reached it.
