Poland signs $$$ 4.75 bln deal for US patriot missile system facing Russia.

LOL anybody with a brain is able to discern who the aggressor is
And as to the Poles new border defenses - Good Luck with that
I'm sure they made your Military Industrial Complex very happy

The Poles wasted their money. They should have bought the Russki's S400 like Turkey did
..................As the US Patriot Missile is a proven DUD - a No Starter & an abject FAILURE -

US-MADE MISSILE DEFENSES
SPECTACULARLY FAILED IN SAUDI ARABIA || WARTHOG 2018

 

Well it's more than just the patriots isn't it, an insurance policy from the Yanks for assistance against Russian aggression

 

You trolling me tonight Cerb you're going to have to do much better than this, all you're doing is boring me

 

Yes, but as they say - make the lie big, keep repeating it, hype it up a bit here and there, and eventually the gullible fools will believe it. It's soooooooooooooo true!

 

And all you're doing is posting crap. Sorry Witchypoo but it's a fact.

 

If you were talking China I might agree but, we are not. These are politicians doing things on the basis of political motive.

 

Or perhaps not. Or perhaps everything has 'a political motive'.

 

Fair enough but, the Chinese ruling class are far less susceptible to political winds and in this case pressure from the US. The upside for Poland accepting Missile defense on Polish soil are big on an economic basis. In relation to long term security it is beyond stupid.

In relation the global security equation it is beyond stupid. Putting ABM's on Russia's border does nothing but ramp up the cold war and the nuclear arms race. It has decreased global security against nuclear war .. not increased it - and everyone who knows anything about how these system works knows it.

This is nothing but yet another tactic to put more money in the pockets of the international financiers that run the Military Industrial Complex.

 

That was the same argument being used against Ronald Reagan during the Cold War before the Soviet Union eventually collapsed. Putin will blink also because there is no way Russia can compete against NATO countries, not with their economy and their failing social structures.

Putin has been getting by largely with bluff and bluster but he is no match for Donald Trump in these areas. The major difference is that Trump has the money, the power, and the advisors and staff around him to follow through. The NATO leaders understand this as well.

 

Russia is a third world economy....the only thing that they can truly compete in is bragging, threatening & show-boating...without that, they have zip. Currently, they are pretty aggravated that their boastfulness & threats haven't had the desired effect of instilling fear in their adversaries!

 

It was the MAD doctrine that led to the various treaties done under Reagan. While I agree that there was an economic agenda - Russia wanting to open up capital markets, the driving force behind START and SALT was to move away from Mutually Assured Destruction mentality.

These treaties threatened a dangerous peace. Peace is not good for the business of the Military Industrial Complex and so the "MAD" doctrine had to be dismantled.

Russia will never allow nuclear detente to be destabilized, regardless of economic conditions. In fact the business of maintaining this stability is one of Russia's primary business activities. Russia is one of the worlds leading arm's suppliers.

This military bluster by the US is only driving China and Russia closer together - and also India. Not sure if you have noticed but China/India represent a massive economic trading block already and they will only get bigger in the future.

Russia has been working collaboratively with China and India on military technology. The idea that economic sanctions on Russia is going to stop this collaboration is silliness. India and China will continue to fund this work and Russia will benefit.

This trade war with China is increasing Russia's economic advantage in China. At the same time the EU is bucking the sanctions big time. The EU does not like this spat between the US and Russia messing with their economic sovereignty.

The EU was no on our side in the "Iran deal". They were against us and are still against us. It was not just China and Russia pushing back on the Iran Sanctions .. it was France and Germany as well. (not sure about the Brits -and if Brexit goes through they will not be part of the EU)

Then you have Russia working with Saudi Arabia

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/05/sau...ads-to-bigger-russia-role-in-middle-east.html

Russia is also working with Turkey (a NATO -perhaps soon to be former NATO member) Syria, Iran, Iraq.

While these nations may pay lip services to US bickering .. the reality is that they are working in their own self interest which includes working (and Trading) with Russia.

Russia, China and Saudi Arabia are now introducing a new Petrodollar which will then represent, for the first time in many decades, competition to the USD as the world reserve currency.

This will mute and/or negate most sanctions. The reasons sanctions work is because global transactions are in US dollars and so at some point must go through a US bank. This is about to end and so the US will not be able to enforce sanctions. We will not have control over non-US dollar transactions.

What we are witnessing is the end of US dominance as a world economic empire. This is not to say that the US will not be a major player but, it will not be the powerhouse of old. That is just reality.

The international financiers that run this nation have been capitalizing on the US economic monopoly (often at the expense of US citizens) for many decades and do not want to go gently into that good night.

The problem is that these agents are acting in their interests and not the interests of "we the people". The blunders being made on the geopolitical chessboard are many .. and these blunders are harming our long term economic security.

 

They think Third World as well, such as poisoning people who've decided to abandon their 'tribe', doping their athletes, threatening their neighbors. They're trying to punch way above their weight class and Donald Trump and NATO are calling them on it.

Russian should go back to what they do best, whatever that is.

 

Historical what Russians can do best and what they are experts at is mass murder...probably only rivaled by the Red Chinese!

 

No one promotes global armed conflict like america; often supplying various sides of a given conflict.

 

We're not too shabby ourselves, we're partnering with Islamists at the moment doing this very thing.

 

Russia, judging from your post, is aligning themself, or believes they're aligning themselves, with largely failed states. Of course that would not include India or China but neither of these countries would align themselves with Russia against the USA. That would never make any sense.

And because Russia has an oil deal with SA also means little, though it may affect oil prices in Europe.

That Petrodollar talk has been going on for decades and nothing ever comes of it.

 

And nothing ever will become of that petrodollar talk.....some of thesestates openly criticize it, but privately are in agreement with it, since it makes them insanely rich and provides them with safe havens to keep their "hard earned"$$$US fortunes!

 

This is just denial. Sorry but, what are you talking about ? Your claim that Russia is going to be stop trying to re-stabilize nuclear detente on the basis of economic issues is just false. They have already done it .. its a done deal. That process started in earnest in 2002 when Bush backed out of the ABM treaty. This action forced Russia to take counter measures - part of which included violating the short and intermediate range treaty - building short range nuclear cruise missiles.

ABM's in Poland are a complete waste of time (not that they were much good to begin with) as they would be taken out by nuclear cruise missiles prior to launch.

China and India are aligned with Russia in relation to military technology and this has been going on for a long time. China in particular is aligned with Russia in relation to economic trade.

This is not a "black vs white" with us or against us issue as you are trying to paint. China deals with Russia, they deal with the US and they deal with a host of other nations.

I do not think you know what the "Petro dollar" is. Regardless, you are correct there has been talk of a competition to the US world reserve currency status for decades. You are incorrect that nothing has come of it. The Chinese launched a competitor to the Petro-dollar two weeks ago. In addition the IMF has introduced a quazi crypto/block chain competitor.

This is not nothing .. this is serious reality that will have serious ramifications going forward.

If there is a nuclear war with Russia we are all fked so .. wasting a bunch of money pretending otherwise is a fools errand.