Please explain exactly why teachers should get a pay increase?

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  1. Hawkeye nc

    Hawkeye nc Member

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    I'd like to know what happened to all the lottery money that was supposed to fund teachers and better schools. Did the Republicans siphon it all for other projects (and pockets) like they have done with Social Security?
     
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    Here's where NC's lottery money goes.
    https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2016/04/17/where-does-lottery-money-go/82947284/

    1.9 billion in lottery ticket sales results in 26% thrown to the schools, and this accounts for less than 1% of the total school system budget.
     
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    Then you would get only the people in the upper middle class educating their kids. We used to think it made america stronger to have an education for all americans. Hence adding schooling to the Commons along with common defense.

    I guess you are ok with only upper middle class kids getting educated? Or did you just not really think this out?
     
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    My wife did and she bought more than just pencils from her own pocket. She was also over the Title One program, and that took time in addition to her teaching. She also had a specialist degree which here in this state lies between a masters degree and Phd. She did this because a 4 year degree does not pay enough money for someone to dress nice for school.
     
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    Formal education where kids sit at desks listening to some boring government employee drone on and on about the new deal is an old fashioned idea that has become obsolete thanks to the internet.
     
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    The internet have the capability of dumbing down the population. Great example is Trump and his dumb tweets.
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So don't teach them history, especially if it talks about the new deal?

    But you are right about the net. It may be the future of education, as long as everyone has computers and internet connections. But with both parents having to work today, who will tend the store? Computers don't demand the child to be attentive.
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Raising kids on computers is raising a generation of people more likely to develop bad eyesight, bad posture and the great possibility of carpal tunnel syndrome before they ever even hit the workforce. Not to mention the anti social issues.
     
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    If both parents are working, why did they have children? Kinda stupid to go to all the expense and bother of pregnancy and then the 18+ years of paying for a child if you would rather be an employee than a parent.

    The new deal is not boring, nor is history as a whole. The problem is that your government employees are so incompetent that they could make going to a stripper club seem like a trip to the dentist.
     
  10. I justsayin

    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    your socialism point is getting through to me.
     
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    That is questionable. I would have to agree in many cases, but I don't think we can accept anything like that in general. Without question, education done correctly not only passes on knowledge, but teaches how to think properly, sets examples, builds character and much more. Those are things vital to the survival of most everything we hold dear.

    I don't have an answer. Sadly, I think the bulk of the problems stem from attitude and environment in homes. I believe that strong responsible parents with good values and an understanding of the job of parenting produce kids that can follow suit- while parents that have never matured in personality and values produce kids that have to find a way around all the things that they have been taught wrongly. Schools and teachers might impact that damage, but they can't eliminate it and shouldn't be expected to compensate for poor parenting. Of course, much of our society and system does just that, rather than place that responsibility where it belongs.

    It would seem the right first step in solving any problem is to understand it, and that means accepting the reality whether you like it or not.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    So much to think about.
     
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    Not all that much. Just look at who has an incentive to do what, and why.

    Where is the incentive for teachers to make sure that Johnny can read?
    Where is the incentive for Johnny to learn how to read?
    Where is the incentive for Johnny's parents to care whether he can read, or not?
    Where is the government's incentive to care one way or another?
    Where is the incentive for the school admins to make sure that Johnny can read?
    Why should the principal care?
    Why should universities care?
     
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    Who are you to decide who can or can't have children?? The last time I heard such absurdity was from the socialist Chinese.
     
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    I'm not forbidding anybody from becoming a parent. However, some things like time constraints do make that impossible, and if both mother and father are at work, they're not being parents. When do they have the time?
     
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    So parents that work, and that is most of them, should not have kids? Kinda stupid for people to stop having kids.
     
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    You didn't answer my very simple question.

    When do they have time?
     
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    Might be but I think it is the future. Once AI and robotics replace 80 percent of the work force, the parents can stay home and assist the computers in educating the kids. Progressives should be for it given indeed it is very progressive over traditional methods of education. The conservatives should be against it, given how traditional they tend to be, and yet they seem to want to fire the teachers and end all public schooling. No buildings to maintain, no teachers to pay, except those online where one can serve millions.
     
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    I don't know. If 80% of jobs are taken by AI, then education may no longer be needed. That aside, there are things that needed to be taught live with hands on practice. Parents aren't capable at teaching everything.
     
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    Then you should be happy to learn that white birthrate is quite low. Then again, you would be whining and crying why the birthrate is so low that whites are becoming the minority. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
     
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    I was asking when a couple who are both working have the time to be a parent. Not when they have time to have sex.
     
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    Why didn't she raise the issue of there not being enough pencils with her principal? And if she did, did her principal really tell her that the solution is to buy pencils out of her own pocket?
     
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    Just like we only have the upper middle kids eating food?
     
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    Follow along here kiddies...
    $45K base salary...and an additional $3600 ..is less than $49K.

    For a job that requires 5-6 years of college.

    Oh...
     

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