Carnage on Gaza border as Palestinians shot dead by Israeli

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Fisherguy said: ↑
Israelis and the IDF love shooting unarmed teenagers in demonstrations.
Always have, always will.

Ronstar said
its sickening


Not sure which response is more childish.

 

Israel needs to stop shooting unarmed civilians.

 

Don't worry, your comment takes the cake.

 

What country sent the Jews?

 

no country "sent" the Jews.

if not for violent anti-Semitism the Jews would have been very satisfied living in the Diaspora forever.

Israel is a reaction to a world full of irrational bigotry.

 

There's a lot of noise around here about Israel has set out to kill Palestinians. I thought it was time to point out the obvious.

 

You figure they doan shoot no gud?

 

I am embarassed for not seeing that.

 

Your English is impeccable as always, comrade.

 

Hamas spokesman Fawzy Barhoum did not confirm all 50 were members of the Islamist movement. He told AFP Hamas paid for the funerals for all 50 “whether they are members or supporters of Hamas, or unrelated to the factions.”

 

if 50 of dead in Gaza were Hamas, with only 60 dead from 2700 casualties what IDF did was an amazing feat of discipline,marksmanship and intelligence gathering...think... about those numbers...normally you can expect 10-20% fatalities.....but there were only 60...so the Israelis were very selective

 

Ronstar's conspiracy theory site has the real numbers.

 

What about the thousand that were wounded and over 100 killed that were not Hamas ?

Just admit it already - you believe that these people are sub human such that human rights to not apply.

 

Like they do not have water cannons, tear gas, rubber bullets and so on. Like this is the first time some nation has had to deal with protesters.. but I am not even talking about these people.

I am talking about people that were not "rushing the fence" .. people who were being shot for protesting outside the fence. Did you miss the part about 6 journalists getting shot ? These Journalists have big letters on their chest PRESS.

Shot .. fking shot ?? This was indiscriminate shooting into a crowd of protesters that posed no legitimate threat .. protesters who were not rushing the fence.

What part of "6 journalists were shot" - is not sinking in ? This is deranged.

If this happened in Russia or China you would be losing your mind .. calling for the heads of those who did such an act ... and so would everyone else on this thread.

 

Are these viable options? How do you know? What about the risk for the IDF?

How would the IDF know the people with "PRESS" on their chest are journalists?

Where with respect to the fence were they shot?

Again, how would the IDF know the people with "PRESS" on their chest are journalists?

Don't assume you know what I'm thinking.

 

Spare me .. as if the journalists were rushing the fence. What ever you are thinking - there is little logic involved.

 

The "greatest good for the greatest number" should suffice (Jeremy Bentham (1748 - 1832) whose philosophy is known as Utilitarianism). Is it contended now that opposing a US embassy in Jerusalem somehow improves the greatest good for the greatest number?

 

Funny, I don’t remember Trump condemning them.

Your point about Islam being the government is not true either. Not all Muslim majority countries are run by religion. Curious, have you ever met a Muslim?

 

Israel continues her work on the genocide of the Palestinians. As a country Israel is the least imaginative of any ever. Just uses the same lies again and again for her actions against different people. A few weeks ago she was bombing Syria claiming they had factories. Now she is doing the same to Gaza as she carries on her genocide against the Palestinian people supported by the US an imperialist power on its last legs and acting as such always do.

IDF planes strike Hamas ‘terror targets’ in northern Gaza Strip

 

Max Blumenthal and Dan Cohen have released their film 'Killing Gaza'

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/killing-gaza/

They were in Gaza when it was being destroyed and its people murdered in 2014

 

The problem with this thread is that most of the participants are not explicit about their beliefs re. Israel/Palestine, although it's pretty easy to infer what the beliefs of many of them are.

There are three positions:

(1) Israel is an illegitimate state, and should not exist. Anything its enemies do to bring its non-existence about, is either justified, or at least understandable.

(2) The Palestinians have no legitimate claim on any part of the territory Israel currently occupies, including the West Bank currently being settled by Israelis: they should migrate to other Arab countries and leave Israel in peace.

If you're an adherent of either of these positions, life is simple. All conflicts are interpreted through the lens of Good vs Evil. And there will always be plenty of evidence of injustices and atrocities to support your views.

This general view -- my tribe first, to hell with our enemies -- is the natural, normal view of mankind. It's the view taken, say, by the Burmese with respect to their Rohynga minority, by the Arab Syrians towards the Kurds, by the white Americans towards the native Americans. (Once you've crushed your ethnic opponents and ethnically cleansed them into their graves or onto bantustans, you can afford some liberal sentiment.)

If you're not a member of one of the contending tribes, or have risen above your ethnic allegiance to it, you can try to analyze ethnic conflicts over territory from a different point of view.

There is more than one alternative point of view possible:

(1) Indifference: let 'em kill each other, it's not my problem. This is probably the default view of most 'outsiders', (although not of the poltically-obsessed people, like me, who post on public forums).

(2) What's good for my people: can we get some advantage out of this conflict among two other tribes? Perhaps by taking sides, perhaps by selling lethal hardware to one or both ...

(3) Can some general principles of justice be applied to this conflict, taking facts-on-the-ground realities into account, with the usual messy compromises, that will end it? Probably most politically-engaged people who are not partisans of one side or another adhere to this viewpoinr. In the current case, it's called "the two-state solution".

The problem for the last group is that it's not clear why there has been no two-state solution. Certainly, there are plenty of Palestinians and Israelis who don't want it -- they see the struggle as a zero-sum game. But clearly there are plenty who do want it, or have wanted it at various times. And it would seem to be inherent in the situation that a majority of both sides ought to want it, since the alternative, to rational people, is not a pleasant one, possibly even apocalyptically unpleasant. (However, there are plenty of religious lunatics on both sides, not to mention the Christian Zionists with their own brand of insanity, who seem to positively look forward to an Armageddon ending.)

So ... why has there not been a two-state solution? Why haven't the people, on both sides, who want one, been able to take command of their side?

 

My point was that the maps of the "shrinking Palestine" used by pro-Palestinians present a false narrative. In this narrative, Palestine was always an Arab land situated west of the Jordan river, and when the Jews came Arabs lost all their land. There are, of course, several things wrong with this narrative, including the fact that Arabs didn't lose "all the land", they received some 70% of the land initially promised to Jews for a national homeland and entrusted to the British for that purpose. Jews didn't even receive the whole of Palestine, only a part of the territory west of the Jordan river. But the "Jews stole Palestine and Arabs got nothing" narrative, destined to demonize Jews and push us out of the region, became mainstream. It is a scam.

 

If you support Hamas , You Alexa support Terror.

 

Why do you think the IDF isn't using other means to disperse protesters? There are mentions of rubber bullets and tear gas in some of the reports.

By the way, there's this story about an 8 months old baby killed by Israeli tear gas. Unspeakable outrage. Well, turned out the baby had a preexisting heart condition, and this is what really killed her, as it killed her brother before her.
http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-israel-gaza-child-20180516-htmlstory.html

But it doesn't hurt Hamas' PR machine to parade this dead baby and exploit her family's pain for its own purpose, does it?

 

Wounded primarily in the legs, reports say 61 killed, not 100.

Just admit it already - You believe that Hamas is innocent and will defend them at any cost because you believe the Jews are subhuman and have no right to defend themselves.