China, Germany to stay in Iran nuclear deal as Khamenei lists demands

A former East German Communist Marxist (now a Globalist Leftist) who welcomed the Muslim invasion of Germany calling the US president "untrustworthy".

Why, it is just shocking it is, I say, what is this world coming to?

 

No it wasn't.

No we don't. Obama was the only one obligated by the agreement.

 

And I could spam you with examples of the U.S. making international agreements that do not benefit the U.S. at all. But I would prefer it if reality were as you describe it. We'll just disagree with each other.

So your response is to threaten us?

The agreement calls for periodic re-approval of the agreement. We didn't re-approve it. That is part of the deal.

You are allowing your anti-American emotion to taint your arguments. They won't work on me.

In fact it opens the door to nuclear weapons in the future, assuming Iran doesn't have them already. I believe the experts are wrong but that is only an opinion so you can ignore it. A lot of other things were involved in the agreement - money and sanctions to name two.

You are allowing your emotion to color your guesswork again.

I hope your friendship with Iran provides some benefits to you.

Israel isn't promising to destroy another country. Also it is an ally of the U.S. and Iran is an enemy.

You seem to think we ended the agreement. We didn't. We simply withdrew from it. Carry on.

The Trump hatred had to show up at some point. Save it for someone else. It doesn't work on me.

 

We live in 2018. Merkel locked German borders in 2016 and does Mass Deportationen. How is Trumpf Wall doing?

 

Not well. It is an uphill battle for him.

 

oh rubbish, I'd love to see Iran tick every box on Pompeo's list I just don't think it's realistic to believe that they will. I also don't care for you derogatory terms for those who do support Iran, only extremists talk like that

 

A hill made up of members of Congress

 

The US demands are crucial because they are actually reflecting a road map for the US geopolitical perspectives. So they are not just stupid demands. How many nuclear accords so far have been based on a country's strategic aims to strangle the other one that is not even a neighbor? South Africa's? North Korea's? Iran deal is crippled from bottom to top and must be revised owing to the global conjuncture has shifted towards a new equilibrium just as the so called "axis" wished so. Now we're talking about "state actors" on certain theaters that are very much of hybrid kinds. Each one of these actors is making geostrategic moves based on their geopolitics. Iran's wide variety of proxies, how they are positioned and in how many little groups they "uncontrollably" got broken down to are the most vital factors directly putting Iran right at the heart of the biggest problems ever within such a complex and problematic area that is also packed with tons of many different state and nonstate actors.

So when you have such a reference point you see clearly the axis happened to take advantage of American foreign policy which has been rather softly framed by the previous administrations and has managed to drag it to the grounds they've all been operating for decades. The reason they couldn't make it happen before is the general concensus that was still favoring a global conjuncture which was built upon the very necessity of American policing. The reasons for that however is a discussion of another topic but as I said earlier, no matter where you stand Iran can't have it both ways because right now it is the only state actor that pretty much overpowers others through the use of its broad range of nonstate forces. It's like the rules of the game are set by Iran, then of course favoring Iran, and so of course will make Iran the victorious. This is unacceptable because Iran is NOT the only state actor that has a "country" in the region. So when Iran rants about some "fairplay" it really doesn't make noise beyond cries of a spoiled child who has everything but still wants the other kid's toys. No cool...

And I don't give a rat's ass if you think Im extreme in my views because that'd be like a discovered check revealing your bad schills... Komprehenshun schills...

 

And is Pompeos list OK? Not really ...

 

Really ... so the world has to submit to the uS will? I get a laugh...

Who theats first, eh? Slowly time to get in the head the time where the uS had some saying are over...

Correct, but not only unreasoned ... the reasons named had nothing to do with the Iran deal and the apporval right has the rule inside to be approved if Iran holds the agreement points.
Bad to face the reality that Iran hold it 100% and the things which are named as reason have nothing to do with the deal, eh?

I am not Anti-American ... but Anti-Trump! Or is thius suddenly the same?

[(QUOTE]In fact it opens the door to nuclear weapons in the future, assuming Iran doesn't have them already. I believe the experts are wrong but that is only an opinion so you can ignore it. A lot of other things were involved in the agreement - money and sanctions to name two.[/QUOTE]

It does not ... it prevents that this will happen and this is fact!
And yes ... it was as every agreeement a deal fo giving and taking. But I know that right this made the Neo Cons so angry, because they will only be pleased when Iran is again a sub slave of the USA s they were until the end of the Shah 1979!

Should I laugh now or not?
What friendship? It's about justice and that the US tries to force its will on the rest of the world with Trump!

Interestingly, if Israel breaks international law and agreements with things almost monthly, but you ignore that ... but woe Iran does the same ... then that's different, because Iran = enemy, eh?

Hypocrisy, I see you!

Wrong and BS!
If you had just pulled back, I would not care.

You withdraw yourselves AND demand of all others to do it too and woe if not, then there are penalties!
AND you not only renew your sanctions, you want to add new ones.

Definitely blackmail! Sorry ... earns only the middle finger from the rest of the world ...

That Trump follower has a serious loss and perception of reality is well known ... thanks for the confirmation!

 

I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth.

Who threatened you?

We withdrew from the agreement. Period. Carry on.

It is when you aren't an American.

It does. You are mistaken. Nobody wants to make a slave of Iran. We just want Iran - a rogue state - not to have nuclear weapons because they have threatened us and Israel with them. North Korea did the same thing. We are working on that as well. If your country has nukes then it isn't an issue because you don't threaten us with them

Feel free to laugh if you find something funny. The U.S. hasn't forced its will on anybody.

A discussion of anti semitism is too complex to get into it here. Let me just say that what you call breaking international law we call defending the homeland. Israel is subjected to terrorist attacks constantly. In their shoes I would flatten Gaza. They are far more restrained than I would be. Israel yells "death to America" and they threaten Israel with nuclear annihilation. You ignore it. We take is seriously. No hypocrisy at all.

I don't care what you care about.

What penalties are those?
AND you not only renew your sanctions, you want to add new ones.

The rest of the world has extended its middle finger for as long as I can remember. We just chalk it up to envy.

You are welcome.

 

Well that's my point... the list is intentionally not OK.... it's ...

 

omg seriously... you want me to read all this crap... ugh fine

agree with all except change road map for wish list.

I'm deeply hurt by your un rats ass givedness, the only reason I post is for your rats ass giveness

 

In mother Russia past of give is gived.

 

fine I'll fix it... but for the record I liked it better the first time I wrote it

I'm deeply hurt by your rats ass not given, the only reason I post is for you to give a rats ass. (pfft... not nearly as effective)

 

What did not work very well for whom of you? Germany for example is a rich country with mostly poor citizens. 50% for example do not live in their own house. The greatest German company is somewhere near rank 60. In general the companies in Germany are not German companies any longer. High tech industry was often bought from China for example. Amazon controls 50% of the internet business in Germany. If a company found a profitable business Amazon kills the company and overtakes their business on its own. Our PCs and Smart phones are made in China - the software is under control oft the USA - only the hackers are from Russia. The European Union informs the USA about every single account transaction of everyone in the European Union. The NSA spies everywhere in our government and our own secret service BND sends every information about all Germans to the USA. And so on and so on

So what do you say is your problem which forces you to do trade war against Germany, the European Union and NAFTA (Canada and Mexico)?

Oh by the way: The USA had installed torture camps in Romania, Bulgaria and Poland. But I heard there's also good news from the USA: You like perhaps to close the concentration camp Guantanamo Bay next century, because in this century your playsident has first to study what kind of country the USA is and how he is able to destroy the western world.

Do you need experts in building a wall against Mexico? We have experienced wall builders too in our country. Perhaps we should slowly start to think about to do you the favor to isolate you from the "rest of the world", where exist serious problems. For example the climate change. This May was the hottest May in Germany since 1889. And the last April was the hottest April since more than 200 years. In the moment we have anyway no time to care about the problems of the USA - we have to repair the damages of the last storms and floodings first.

 

Well done. I think you covered most of the available anti-American nonsense.

 

Oh I forgot. US-Americans are resistant in facts.

 

Indirectly with the behavior...

Seriously?
Of Course Trump!

Yes, but not only this ... as explained!

ROFL ... so only Americans arfe allowed to hate Trump and all others who hate Trump do automatically hate the complete USA... or what is the context of this again?


[/QUOTE]It does. You are mistaken. Nobody wants to make a slave of Iran. We just want Iran - a rogue state - not to have nuclear weapons because they have threatened us and Israel with them. North Korea did the same thing. We are working on that as well. If your country has nukes then it isn't an issue because you don't threaten us with them.[/QUOTE]

And why then this reasoning of quitting the deal "because of the "aggressive" foreign policies of Iran their Missile Program" ... when these things are not part of the deal and the nuke program?

Not? ... Ok fact that I can come with a mouintain of examples wher ethe USa did in past ... I will quote Mr. Trump himself:

Trump said he was going to reimpose sanctions on Iran — dealing a blow to what he called the “decaying and rotten” Iran nuclear deal. Those sanctions could involve secondary sanctions, which would penalize countries whose companies continue to trade with Iran. “

So no forcing to stop any ... by current Deal legal trade ... because the USA quitt the deal?

No, it is full of hyocrisy here! Aside fact that you exclude any reasons for these terror attacks on Israel ... you shrug off their constantly breakuing of rules and agreements with this phrase of terror threat ... but blame Iran in one breath if they do only a part of these things too.
This is like the same hypocrisy when these other American blame Iran for using the bloody f**cking Sharia as law and shouting how evil Iran is out of it ... but closing all eyes that in Saudi Arabia is done right the same ... but Saudi Arabia = close friend!

No idea, because Trump only threats untiol now to do such a thing, but not telling what in detail.
But you do not need imagination to count on 3 fingers, what may come ...
The big European corporation "X" does a lot of business in the US and has factories and employs 10,000 or more people in the US ... but does not stick to the new / old sanctions, only to the Iran deal and actually delivers accordingly legal stuff in Iran, which ban the US again. Guess what happens then?

That's not true ... but now you get the middle finger from your friends and allies from Europe, Canada, Mexico and many other parts of the world ... to my knowledge even from Australia and pretty much every country in Asia!

I would recommend you maybe even wondering, why that is so as to do only a shrug or just always represent the other than the bad guys!

 

As usual ... if you do not say "salute USA" and run around with Uncle Sam top hat and Stars and Stripes clothes as foreigner ... but instead with nasty facts ... YES FACTS !!! ... comes that you do not want to hear righty Americans ... then of course you are anti american.

And not to forget ... if you hate as a foreigner Trump, then of course you are also Anti American!

 

Yes, it is tough when the U.S. withdraws the financial feeding trough for the rest of the world. I understand your frustration.

 

Lol ... the only frustrating thing is that the Trump fans are the living proof that Darwin's Evolution also has a reverse gear!

And what US financial help? Where? When? With whom?
You depend on the drip of others ... if China makes serious economically, then you are done in the US!

But OK, China and the US is a topic of its own .... I am anything but frustrated because thanks to Trump, the EU is stronger than ever and has more popular support than ever before.
You know that two US Presidents have been confronted by Iran over a confrontation with the EU, where the US has bitten on granite? Both ... Clinton and Bush Jr. ... but were still smart enough not to let it happen and slowed down. I do not trust Trump to have this acrobatic brain power ... and Trump loses himself with almost everybody by now, meaning he sees himself as an opponent of the EU, Russia, China, Canada and Mexico, who meanwhile start setting themselves up as partners against Trump! Good luck Mr. Trump ...

 

"Hate" is a big word. On the other side: Hitler was funny too. The Trump politics "America first" means since June, 1st, 2018 : "The USA is alone". No one supports the international politics of the USA on a very simple reason: it exists no international politics of the USA any longer. So the problem is now how to save the future of the western world - besides that the future of all mankind is threatened too. Your president Donald Trump lived his whole life only in a fantasy world. His Old America will not work. What will happen when the rich will become more rich in the USA? Do you think "your" steel will be produced cheaper and in a better quality now? The socialistic politics of Trump eliminates competition.

 

Indeed ... but hey, maybe he finds a new ally in Kim of North Korea soon?

Only a joke ...