Italy says won't buy more F-35 fighter jets, may cut existing order

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  1. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More anti-American wishes and cheerleading from the can't-figure-out-how-they-lost left....
     
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    Swede Hansen Banned at Members Request

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    I don't either. Let's get the **** out and put your money on the Muslims to win
     
  3. Bowerbird

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    Have you any numbers about the amount of "savings" Trump has achieved?
     
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    Confused , as always, we see:


    Hilarious.



    Another reminder/smackdown needed, we see, to expose your DAILY Spammed Lie about who "Putin's Bi**H is :

    Obama covering for/carrying Putin's water, even BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED:




    And then:

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    Followed by:

    Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/...s-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

    Despite this:

    The Russia Scandal Just Got Much Worse … For Hillary Clinton And Barack Obama

    While the Obama administration was approving the controversial 2010 sale of Uranium One to a state-owned Russian energy giant — which gave it control of one-fifth of U.S. uranium supplies — the FBI was actively investigating that company for extensive criminal activity designed to expand Russia's footprint in the U.S. uranium business.
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/russia-scandal-uranium-one-clinton-foundation/


    And then, Obama runs from/appeases Putin on EVERY FRONT:

    Obama abandons missile defense shield in Europe

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/17/missile-defence-shield-barack-obama



    Obama Won’t Arm Ukraine Because He Led the Disarming of Ukraine

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corn...e-he-led-disarming-ukraine-andrew-c-mccarthy/

    And, as if all of that, were not enough:



    A PROMISE OBAMA KEPT, for a change:LAST BUT NOT LEAST in the Obama Grovel for Putin list:

    Obama Cyber Chief Confirms 'Stand Down' Order Against Russian Cyber Attacks in Summer of 2016

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-cy...ssian-cyberattacks-summer-2016-204935758.html
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    Let us know when Pres.Trump does ANY OF THAT...to "make Vladipoo happy"...like Obama did.


    Meanwhile Trump BOMBS the Russians and their allies, builds the European Missile Defense Shield, arms the Ukraine, and opens the European energy market to American companies, destabilizing the Russian economy...etc., etc...

    Pretty OBVIOUS exactly WHO PUTIN'S BI**CH WAS, and IS.
     
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    What is we goona do.

    Suggestion, pull out the 173rd Airborne for starters. Let them defend themselves. Minus 12,000 US soldiers in Italy. They will never notice.
     
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    If the US responds that we can say the US is protecting Italy. But so far, the US is not doing that since Italy is not under attack...
     
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    The F-35 is not one of the best machines Americans built. Overpriced and underwhelming aircraft.
     
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    Muslims have already conquered your mind. Your cadaver is just a tool.
     
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    Are you aware of this? I doubt it.

    The U.S. should help only the countries at or above the 2% agreed upon amount. I can't think of any good reason to help any of the others. Both France and Germany ware under the 2% agreed upon, why were we helping them?
     
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    Really, with all it's problems I wouldn't blame any country for cancelling orders.
     
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    Colombine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For European countries, it's still mostly Russia. They have controlled recklessness and nuclear clout.

    The very existence of NATO as a contract treaty serves, in part, to prevent that.
     
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    3.61% of our GDP when we only have to pay 2%.
     
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    Don't forget the ones in Germany, bring 'em home and put them along the border with all their equipment.
     
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    Let Russia have Europe, those knuckleheads started 2 world wars in less than 100 years. My Uncle died in the sky's over Schweinfurt, his plane made it back.....he didn't. I wouldn't pee on them if they were on fire.
     
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    What help do they need? There has not been a war involving NATO countries since WW2 and none is likely given that most European nations are in the EU and cooperate socially and economically without military treaties.

    NATO doesn't have any enemies except for those the US demands they fight against outside Europe.

    I suspect F35s wouldn't be very effective if a zombie apocalypse threatened Europe. A zombie apocalypse is more likely than any conceivable threat from to Europe internal or external.
     
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    Sober them up and send them home.
     
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    Yes, well you didn't have to boast about being parochial.

    The F-35 program is already one of the most expensive boondoggles in a Defense establishment already known for expensive boondoggles.

    Foreign sales to US allies are the only way to hold the unit price down.

    But when the US President goes around insulting the customers and starting trade wars, Italians see no reason to waste their money subidizing US military contractors.

    So as the unit price climbs, you get the bill.

    Of ocurse, you won't pay for it. You got at tax cut, so your children will pay for it, as Trump is borrowing all the money., But then, folks like you only care about spending when the Republcians aren't busy blowing up the national debt as they did under Reagan, George W Bush and now.
     
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    Yes because if Russia annexes Europe the US is going to be safer than ever. I mean it's going to be so safe you're not going to believe it folks. So safe.
     
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    We both have enough nukes to destroy each other ten times over, what's your point?
     
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    That maybe I don't want that to happen a goal international diplomacy has worked toward pretty much all my life on this earth.
     
  21. Professor Peabody

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    We still won't be in any MORE danger if they took over the EU. Russia would inherit Europe's manufacturing base and give them a real economy.
     
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    Well this isn't what's going to happen. What will happen is that the EU will position itself along different axes politically, economically and culturally which will lessen the impact the US has on world affairs.

    Oh well, at least we'll have a soy bean surplus.
     
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    Italy actually builds/assembles f-35s.

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...bled-lockheed-martin-f-35b-joint-strike-20542

    The Italian final assembly plant is one of the few such facilities in the world—Lockheed builds the majority of F-35s at Fort Worth, Texas. While not as large or capable as the main Lockheed plant, the Italian FACO will build small but significant part of the worldwide F-35 fleet. In addition to the 30 Italian F-35Bs, 60 Italian F-35As and 29 Dutch F-35As are expected to be built at Cameri. The plant could eventually build jets for other European F-35 partners in the future.
     
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    Which only further raises my concerns over US technology being stolen, or sold. It looks like FACO / Lockheads collaboration on F-35's is over.
     

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