Iran threatens to block straights of Hormuz

And Al Qaeda/ISIS is a proxy for the USA/Saud/Israel and so on. A paramilitary arm for exporting "Islamist" (amazing that you have yet to figure out the proper terminology despite having the difference explained to you on numerous occasions) terrorism.

The arms and support given by "USA/Saud/Israel to these Islamist extremist nut jobs in Syria is far greater than what is given to Hezbollah by Iran.

Who then is more evil ?

 

What terrorist groups have Russia armed ? What is indisputable is that what comes out of your trap is uninformed twaddle.

 

Jeez, switching to insults already? Aren’t you supposed to be an intelligent member?

Just in case you want to grow up:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/russia-is-state-sponsor-terrorism-but-dont-treat-that-way

 

"Russia is arming the Taliban" This is an unproven claim - but regardless - we were arming the Taliban.

Arming Hezbollah to help fight the enemies of the Assad regime. Are you fricken kidding me ? The enemies of the Assad regime were Al Qaeda/ ISIS and other groups of the same ilk. On the other side - a complete violation of international law even if they were not the most well known terrorist group on the planet - US/Saud and others armed Al Qaeda and the other Islamist extremist groups that went on to form ISIS.

If Russia is a "State sponsor of Terror" for using Hezbollah to kill terrorists from the best known terrorist groups on the planet ISIS/Al Qaeda - what does this make us for arming and supporting these terrorists.

If Hezbollah are "terrorists" for fighting a decades long blood feud against Israel - what does this make Israel for fighting the same blood feud .. the difference being is that Israel has killed 10 x the number of children that the Palestinians.

Where - other than fighting against an enemy that is taking Palestinian land by force - a complete violation of international law - and fighting terrorists in Syria is Hezbollah doing stuff.

Ukraine - you have no idea about the fight in Ukraine so quit while you are ahead. It is the Gov't backed fascists who are devoted to Hitler who - if anyone - are the "terrorists" I would not call either terrorists ... it is a blood feud/a war where both sides do bad things but if any side is targeting civilians - that would be the Ukrainian Gov't backed nut jobs.

Even the guy in your link concludes that Russia should not be on the list of state sponsors of Terror - this is despite giving a bunch of nonsense examples, and reciting Establishment propaganda as if it has some basis in fact. While the dude does give one small examples of equivalent US actions

Khartoum .. this is the best the guy can come up with? Let me be of some assistance.

Arming and supporting Al Qaeda/ISIS and various others of the same ilk in Syria
Fighting on the same side as Al Qaeda in Yemen,
Supporting Islamist extremists in Libya - turning that state into a Jihadist wonderland
Arming and supporting Suharto - Indonesia
Supporting Death Squad dictators in El Salvador and Guatemala - training these death squad soldiers in terror tactics at the "School of the Americas".
Lets not forget supporting and arming Israel - not nearly as bad as all the others on the list but this still qualifies (if we are putting things like Russian support for Russians fighting against Nazi's in Ukraine on the list)
Arming the Contra's in Nicaragua was worse than arming the Russians in Ukraine.

Oh .. and lets not forget supporting Saddam while he was using chemical weapons against Iran and his own people (Kurds)

Unlike the false flag attacks in Khan - where less than 100 were killed - in a real chemical weapon attack conducted by a nation state many thousands of people are killed.

You have been on this site long enough to know better.

 

You offer nothing but deflections and no proof that Russia is not a sponsor of terrorism. It doesn’t matter if Russia is on the list - it sponsors terrorist organizations.
And you are the one who has no clue about Ukraine - everyone lives just fine together and then suddenly, somehow, a fascist regime starts to kill innocent civilians. Are you even capable of rational thought? Why would the government of Ukraine even engage in that? For fun? What does Ukraine gain from it vs what does Russia gain from a frozen conflict in a country that aspires to join EU and maybe NATO?

 

Margot, Lebanon didn't exist until after WWI when the Ottoman Empire was carved up by the French and English, over two decades after "the first Zionist Congress."

 

OMG! Do you also believe Bush was behind 9/11?

 

Prove a negative ? Fallacious nonsense is all you have. Prove the Queen of England is not a terrorist .. what a joke. It is your claim so it is up to you to prove your claim true... claiming "you can't prove otherwise is not proof of claim".

What I did do is refute all your nonsensical accusations and made up definitions of terrorism that are refuted in your own link.

More uninformed speculation followed by nonsensical questions. Fascist regimes have often risen up and started to kill civilians - they hate anyone who is not like them or with them in general and they certainly hate Russians in "their" country. If you knew anything about the conflict in Ukraine you would realize this.... but you don't. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...litia-takes-law-into-own-hands-neo-nazi-links

Note the source is a "Pro Western Source"

NATO and the US is to blame for Russia annexing Crimea. After serious meddling in the Ukraine electoral process the US managed to get in a pro US leader. NATO was considering NATO membership for Ukraine - which crossed a Red Line that was clearly marked by Putin in the sand.

The port in Crimea has been a strategic Russian port for 400 years - there was no way Putin was going to allow this port to fall into the hands of NATO and every leader in NATO knew this yet they poked the bear anyway. Then they wandered around feigning ignorance when Putin did exactly what he said he would do.

So answer the question - If Russia is a "state sponsor of terrorism" - what ever made up definition you are using - then what are we ?

 

I have faith the NSA is monitoring any supporters and agents of hostile forces entering the US via cyber-networks. The odd thing about Iran is that most Iranians are moderate and pro-Western. They only have nutjobs for leaders....and obviously a few fanatics to do their dirty work. As a few of our leaders have noted, cyberwarfare is a constant ongoing attack.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Transc...tary-mattis-on-the-national-defense-strategy/
In this time of change, our military is still strong. Yet our competitive edge has eroded in every domain of warfare, air, land, sea, space and cyberspace, and it is continuing to erode...

.....And then -- so we had a couple thousand years for a couple of them. We've had a hundred years to incorporate air. And now, in a matter of a little more than a decade, really, we've added cyberspace and outer space as potential warfighting -- as warfighting domains. It's the way we must look at it, since we're your sentinels, we're your sentries who guard America. We have to look at it that way.

In cyber, what we are going to do is reorganize. I told you we're reorganizing the department to a degree. You're going to see reorganization of the fundamental organizations. The U.S. Cyber Command and the National Security Agency -- they will be organized along different lines.

 

I have not heard Congressmen and Senators going around claiming that Bush was behind 911.
I have not heard Obama claiming this
I have not heard the NYT report this or hundreds of other journalists
I am not aware of any confidential documents from the DIA claiming that Bush did 911

To the contrary - all of the above and more have stated directly that Obama Al Qaeda was being used to fight a proxy war in Syria.

Once again in a fit of disingenuous ignorance and denial- you are pretending that all the above evidence that proves the above has not been given to you on numerous occasions.

 

Your article is about a nationalist group that hasn’t done anything wrong.
And stop with your nonsense about Ukrainian fascists being in charge killing civilians - Russian Strelkov was bragging on TV about him being responsible for starting the was for Russian government.
You are ignorant in this subject.
And yes - Russia is a sponsor of terrorism. Basic proof - they help Hezbollah, which is recognized as a terrorist organization by many states.

 

1) notice the article calls the Russians in Ukraine "Russian Separatists" - not "Terrorists" as per your made up and uninformed nonsense.
2) You have no idea what these Nazi fascists have done or not done ... again made up uniformed nonsense.
3) Already discussed Hezbollah and you had no response to my comments other than to twirl around in a circle crying "they help Hezbollah" over and over.
4) "Russian Strelkov was bragging on TV about him being responsible for starting the was for Russian government" I assume you mean "war" what war are you referring to the separatist movement? and what does this have to do with Russia supporting terrorists or in any way refute atrocities committed by the Nazi Fascists. You are spouting incoherent gibberish.

5) So if Russia is now labeled supporters of terrorism by using Hezbollah in the fight against Al Qaeda in Syria - what do we label the USA for arming and supporting Al Qaeda in Syria ?

This is the third time you have avoided this question - despite the fact that I have addressed everyone of your assertions and questions - regardless of how nonsensical and uninformed.

 

Agreed Russians sponsor terrorism. They are desperate to blame others for terrorism to divert attention from themselves. It's the big lie and the Russians will use any means to spread those lies as far and wide and as often as possible.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

 

I don’t know enough about the US arming Syrian rebels. My understanding is that the moderate ones had no direct connection to ISIS or AQ, and weapons that were provided to moderate rebels probably fell into the hands of the bad guys when moderates were killed or when moderates switched sides. Bad idea from the beginning, but was our government straight out arming Al queda or ISIS is subject to a separate debate.

As for Ukrainian conflict - when Russian “separatists” shoot at government military targets from densely populated residential areas - that’s terrorism. When they shoot from multiple rocket launchers into a residential suburb of Mariupol - that’s terrorism or war crime, whichever you prefer, doesn’t change much.

 

It’s part of Ukrainian national guard. It was formed as a reaction to Russian actions - you can’t claim that it was the cause of the conflict.
As in any war - some abuses do happen. It is still a legal part of Ukrainian armed forces, the one that is actually feared and consists of many members that are from Eastern Ukraine. Skinheads (or equivalent) can be found in pretty much every military in the world. Doesn’t prove that Ukrainian government is a fascist regime, or that it was threatening eastern Ukrainians. That fact that many of them are in this battalion proves otherwise.

 

The war started in late 2011/early 2012. The "Moderate Rebel Lie" was necessitated when the dog (ISIS) went off its leash in 2014 and went into Iraq. This put us in the awkward position of supporting ISIS in Syria while fighting them in Iraq.

Rand Paul summed it up in an interview on CNN's Sunday morning program "State of the Union"

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...-my-son-into-that-mess-on-the-crisis-in-iraq/


There were no "moderate rebels" of any significance. The "call to Jihad" in Syria was on the basis of turning Syria - a secular Muslim nation - into a strict sharia theocracy. The people of Syria do not want this and that is why they fight for a guy they do not like.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/w...-create-dilemma-for-us.html?pagewanted=all&_r=

This was reporting from the NY-Times prior to the "moderate rebel lie" after which this reporting was promptly forgotten.

Declassified documents obtained by Judicial watch from the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2012.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...12-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

And from the mouth of VP-Biden after giving a talk at Harvard

https://mideastshuffle.com/2014/10/04/biden-turks-saudis-uae-funded-and-armed-al-nusra-and-al-qaeda/

Biden of course does not mention our part in arming and facilitating the arming of these nut jobs but he does refute Obama's "Moderate Rebel Lie" which begs the question - if there were no "moderates" who were we arming.

Just google "moderate rebel lie" and you will find out that the whole world knew - if you don't believe our own DIA and the other sources presented.

In 2013 Obama repealed the bill forbidding tax dollars going to terrorist groups (not that this had not been going on prior to this)

Tulsi Gabbard - with 9 bipartisan signatories introduced the "Stop arming Terrorist act"

https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/gabbards-stop-arming-terrorists-act-introduced-senate


I can go on and on ... posting source after source - and all these are from our side ... If you want to get into non western sources we can do that too.

This article from "The American Conservative" gets into some of the nitty gritty - including commenting on how US weapons were being shipped from "Benghazi"/Libya to Syria early on in the war. Paul questioned Hillary about this during the hearings. Hillary of course lied and denied knowledge ... classified documents which came out later (From the DIA and reported by Fox including interview with some military mucky muck who admitted that we knew about the weapons transfers)

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/

Bottom line - it is not a well kept secret that we armed Al Qaeda and ISIS to fight a proxy war against Assad.

 

Completely ridiculous ...

First, the US is interested in something like human rights only if it is a rather hostile country ... The evil Iran has the evil Sharia with the sometimes bestial punishments ... Wow, how the hell is Iran because of that, eh?
It is stupid, however, if the diche US friend Saudi Arabia has exactly the same Sharia with exactly denleben to some beastly punishments, eh? So do not come with such an idiotic argument as human rights as justification!

And as far as terror is concerned ... interesting if Iran-funded terrorist Hezbollah is based in Lebanon and Trump just puts Iran on his ban list, but that does not hit the terrorists, eh?
And who will fund all the Al Nusra in Syria, who are also terrorists? O Yes .... the donors are all fat US friends!

And now I can only laugh about that with the bad Germans. As long as we submit our own interests to those of the USA and others, we are due to good Germans ... but if not, then we are the bad ones again. It's just ridiculous, but nice to see that the US is starting to make the same mistakes we made and learned from.

 

Iranian Harassment of U.S. Warships:

2015: 22
2016: 36
2017: 14
2018: 0

 

Actually they have been in violation of the treaty since 2003

 

Sharia is NOT the same from country to country. The ISIS faction wanted a bastardized version of Sharia in Syria, the FSA did not..

When the war broke out in Feb 2011... They just wanted to be rid of Assad.

Syria has never been homogeneous .. They have historically had Jews, Christians, Alawites, Shia and Sunni. KSA and others in the region know better than to try to change that demographic.

Assad didn't govern accordingly.. The Alawites were above the law. Jews left.. Christians knuckled under...

Iran has sought to create a Shia corridor from Iran to Sidon by settling Shia from Iran, Iraq and Lebanon in place of the Sunni Syrians who fled the country.

 

And Al Nusra? Also part of the FSA and reason why Russia tells all rebels are terrorists?

As you know, the general conflict between Shiites and Sunites is very old.
But Sharia is used by both, and ISIS is Sunni, as Hezbollah is Shiite. In both Iran and Saudi Arabia, the hand was / is cut off in case of theft ... for example.

Judging Iran for it alone is ridiculous if you do not condemn Saudi Arabia in the same breath!

 

Russia has motive.. Rand Paul and Tulsi don't know anything about Syria and neither do you.

Amputation for theft is for three time losers guilty of grand larceny.

 

Would you support Sharia law being used in the US to settle disputes between American Muslims? Such has been suggested by faith leaders in that community from time to time.

 

And as I know about the conflict and about the Muslims ... far more than you.

But your reaction is just typical, because when you get facts blown around your ears that do not suit you, then it's quickly written that the one = here I have no idea. Yawn ...

P.S:
Simple question: Will the hand be choppy in the end or not by Shari law ... and in which countries does this happen?