DOJ releases the FISA applications, confirms Dossier was among primary sources

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by AmericanNationalist, Jul 21, 2018.

  1. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2013
    Messages:
    40,814
    Likes Received:
    16,262
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sorry, but you don't get to make that decision. The judges on the FISA Court do.
     
    ThorInc likes this.
  2. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,206
    Likes Received:
    20,973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    LOL, this isn't about Trump. This was THE allegations for months, years for that matter. And Rosenstein has flatly denied them. And yet, we're still dogged by them, even as we have dubious activity in a court of law. And investigating said dubious activity, calling it out as dubious activity is deemed to be hearsay, or being a Trumpkin.

    I'll be very blunt: We are never going to let the charges down. The left/people in the media claimed that Russian collusion was a thing. You claimed that the people who participated in the voting process was manipulated by the Russians, etc.

    We want this proven, we demand for it to be proven and I'm not going to stop beating the dead horse until its proven.
     
  3. Rhym3pays

    Rhym3pays Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2018
    Messages:
    861
    Likes Received:
    497
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    lol @ the 4th amendment

    I bet you don't mind the Patriot Act and all of that warrant-less wiretapping and surveillance when you think its being done against "those other people"
     
    ThorInc likes this.
  4. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,206
    Likes Received:
    20,973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I don't think they made any conscious decision. That much is readily apparent in the consistency of the four applications. I wanna take a damn good bet that even the redacted info is the same on all four pages.
     
  5. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,206
    Likes Received:
    20,973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Actually I did/do, but carry on.
     
  6. Rhym3pays

    Rhym3pays Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2018
    Messages:
    861
    Likes Received:
    497
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Its ok -- as you probably had to do as a former bush supporter -- you will have your chance to pretend you were not really a "trumpkin" in the future -- and I find it funny that despite all of the indictments, convictions, bipartisan Senate reports, Inspector General reports -- all of them say Russia interfered with the elections --- but none say that vote counts were changed due to Russians hacking voting machines -- if you see anyone saying that happened, they are lying...

    I just find it funny that you folks are banging the drums for Obama to be arrested when there is ZERO evidence --- especially in comparison to the evidence against Trump -- it is very hard to be a partisan hack for a guy like Trump
     
    ThorInc likes this.
  7. Rhym3pays

    Rhym3pays Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2018
    Messages:
    861
    Likes Received:
    497
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    No, I don't believe that at all....I believe you bought all of the fear mongering from the conservative media back then in the same way you buy the fear mongering now.....you have failed to show any capability of objective analysis.
     
    ThorInc likes this.
  8. ThorInc

    ThorInc Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2017
    Messages:
    19,183
    Likes Received:
    11,126
    Trophy Points:
    113
    BOOOOOOOM!!!!!!
     
  9. Osiris Faction

    Osiris Faction Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2011
    Messages:
    6,938
    Likes Received:
    98
    Trophy Points:
    48
    You should read the warrants again then. It clearly states that Steele and the dossier were not used as sources because of the political nature of their origin and direct attempts to discredit "Candidate #!" AKA Trump.
     
    ThorInc likes this.
  10. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,206
    Likes Received:
    20,973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No, it does not clearly state this, and you can't quote or name a section where it does either.
     
  11. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2013
    Messages:
    40,814
    Likes Received:
    16,262
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You won't be satisfied when it is proven.

    You're going to cling to Trump and go right down with the Trumpster ship.
     
    MissingMayor likes this.
  12. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2013
    Messages:
    40,814
    Likes Received:
    16,262
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You get very far down in the document before it is even mentioned. Not only that, but contrary to another false Trumpster claim, no attempt was made to conceal, omit or minimize the fact that the "dossier" was opposition research.
     
  13. mamooth

    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    6,490
    Likes Received:
    2,226
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That's correct. You not having any evidence to back up your lunatic claims is what makes them all conspiracy theories.

    That was unsupported speculation about a red herring. And it's the best you have. Conspiracy theory.

    I can't even follow your conspiracy yammering. It makes no sense to anybody outside of your cult.

    It's SOP. You're flailing helplessly.

    And you're back to your "the Republican judges are morons!" theory.

    No, you're just peddling BS because you don't want to admit you've allowed yourself to be used as a rube for years. And this conspiracy is going to crater like every other one of your conspiracy theories. Heck, it already cratered, when the document was released.
     
  14. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,206
    Likes Received:
    20,973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Oh, to the contrary. It's easy to impeach a manchurian candidate(on that note, why allow him to be POTUS for 2 years? Why allow him to be elected at all?) It's much harder to drain this swamp of contemptible, lying bastards.
     
  15. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,206
    Likes Received:
    20,973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Give me a page number where they claim they don't use Steele or the Dossier as a source. We'll compare this claim to what's actually written.
     
  16. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,206
    Likes Received:
    20,973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I rarely use the ignore feature. You're the second person to make the list, congratulations. I can't deal with people who can't have a factual, decent conversation.
     
  17. Your Best Friend

    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2016
    Messages:
    14,673
    Likes Received:
    6,996
    Trophy Points:
    113
    LOL....And who is that reliable intelligence asset, pray tell?
    And I claim the Steele dossier is uncorroborated because who is standing up to lend credence to what Steele says?

    Some anonymous Russians? Very impressive.
     
  18. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,206
    Likes Received:
    20,973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And every attempt was made to minimize the fact that it was opposition research. Those words, and other key words are not used in the application. Rather, it is "suspected"(ROFL) that they wanted to "damage" candidate 1. The very use of the word "suspect", when you know for a FACT is fraud.

    The footnote is a lie, in court. Just that alone. Just that alone, validates the claims to be prosecuted in law. They lied.
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2018
  19. Your Best Friend

    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2016
    Messages:
    14,673
    Likes Received:
    6,996
    Trophy Points:
    113
    CNN says Page was under surveillance
    since 2014( http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/03/r...illance-much-earlier-than-previously-thought/) .Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Page .
    And in September of 2016 the government investigated Page.

    So the idea that Page was only investigated after he left the Trump campaign is nonsense and unsupported.

    Have you actually thought through your comments?
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2018
    PrincipleInvestment likes this.
  20. ThorInc

    ThorInc Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2017
    Messages:
    19,183
    Likes Received:
    11,126
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Non sequitur and desperate moving of the goal posts.........you conflated two separate issues and now throw in the 2014 FISA ( which ended b4 the Trump campaign BTW) to cover your faux pas.......well, that was easy to expose. Carry on.....
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2018
    MissingMayor likes this.
  21. Your Best Friend

    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2016
    Messages:
    14,673
    Likes Received:
    6,996
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I find your posts so ridiculous I'll even take CNN's word over yours, not to mention Daily Caller's.
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2018
  22. MissingMayor

    MissingMayor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2018
    Messages:
    7,845
    Likes Received:
    5,495
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Trump clearly destroyed the pee tape myth when he said people told him he didn't stay in Moscow overnight.


    Wait.
     
  23. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,206
    Likes Received:
    20,973
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  24. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2011
    Messages:
    39,871
    Likes Received:
    11,453
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Spam? Hardly.

    My comment was meant to highlight the intractable willful ignorance of entrenched ideology.

    And provide you with some knowledge you either were totally unaware of or seem to have totally forgotten in the first place. But I get how consciously working on ones intellect is a foreign concept to those suffering from fully extent confirmation bias.

    As to reporting me, I do find it amusing that so many on the far right are such snowflakes. I guess they just like to project all the time.
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2018
  25. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    110,159
    Likes Received:
    37,892
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If it’s not legit then why’d the trump admin redact half of it?
     

Share This Page