Yup, Team Trump is guilty of collussion

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  1. Borat

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    the law is clear, donating/contributing is illegal, offering to sell and willing to buy is perfectly legal. You keep repeating nonsense and keep failing to quote a law banning sales/purchase transactions with foreign national. Because it doesn't exist.
     
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    The Canadians seem to have the inside scoop on the whole thing, slightly amusing and annoying ;)
     
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    Overall, his claim is just goofy and he has already 100% contradicted himself.

    His defense of Hilary paying MILLIONS for opposition research from the Russians? He says she has no criminal liability because it went thru a 3rd party.

    Hmmm, was President Trump in the meeting he is ranting about? No. Only 3rd parties. In his OWN defense of Clinton he destroys his own theory about President Trump.
     
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    Again we agree, Mueller holds his cards close to the chest, the OP thus has absolutely no knowledge of any crime or wrongdoing being committed by anyone and the OP is therefore a disgusting slander and conspiracy theory. I am proud of you admitting to this.
     
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    Well you're not factoring "Guessing, hoping and praying"! Once you have those factored in then it's pretty clear, Leftist are their own worse trigger mechanism :)
     
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    Haven't you been watching CNN and MSNBC? Witch hunters don't need trials.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And by the way Trump was also soliciting foreign campaign donations long before the election.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wrong a federal election campaign cannot accept anything of value from foreigners being donations or paid research
     
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    The law is absolutely clear a campaign can buy anything from anyone, no restrictions. Your failure to quote a law banning buying/selling is noted.
     
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    Trump jr. discussed with Russians that they would provide opposition research to the Trump campaign. that is a violation of federal election law
     
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    During his campaign, didn't Obama the Transparent rake in 200 million in online contributions, with no way to track its origin.
     
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    Well then lock up Hilary Clinton. Air tight case.

    It is truly absurd to claim she paid MILLIONS OF DOLLARS for something she hadn't seen, didn't know what was in it or who it came from. Besides, she accepted it and did not return it unused. That, in your words, at that point made it criminal her part.

    Do you like posting nonsense that gets people to laugh at your claims you spam out over and over.
     
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    No its not.
     
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    we will find out soon enough.
     
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    Hillary paid an AMERICAN company, Fusion GPS, for Opposition Research. She had no control on who Fusion GPS hired as a sub-contractor.
     
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    So if Trump Jr talked to some Russians about dirt on Hillary it means that his dad somehow intentionally colluded with a foreign power to influence the election so that he'd win?
     
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    really now?

    The Trump Campaign could have bought Opposition Research from the Mossad, MI6, the KGB or Iran and that would have been totally legal?

    LOL!!!!!

    too funny.

    its one thing for you guys to claim he didn't commit the crime, its a whole new story to claim the act isn't even a crime.

    :p
     
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    no, it means Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner are guilty of violating Federal election law.

    it also means they are guilty of Conspiracy to violate Federal election law.
     
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    I hate the term, "collusion." Why? Because that is the word Trump, his lawyers, and his fans use because the term cannot be found in the criminal code. I prefer terms like collaboration, conspiracy, fraud, and obstruction (when Trump is trying to curtail the investigation).

    That said, here is an official Presidential statement filled with lies. This is the new normal for our current President, and, for some strange reason, his fans adore him when he lies. That says a lot about their character. Those fans who reply to this post, will think only positive thoughts about Trump. Most of his fans, however, will avoid this post. That is the smart thing for them to do -- ignore what Trump says.

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    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump



    Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!

    5:35 AM - Aug 5, 2018

    Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. Indeed, the news media has reported Trump's concern, and it seems quite logical that the father would be concerned about his son. If we are to believe Trump, he is not the least bit concerned about the scrutiny Junior will face from Mueller, and the many lies he told, some while under oath. Trump is not concerned? He is either lying or he is completely ruthless and uncaring about his son. Those are the only two choices.

    This was a meeting to get information on an opponent. Trump failed to mention that his campaign stood to benefit from the information provided by a hostile foreign government. Trump often omits the most important detail.

    Totally legal and done all the time in politics. No doubt his lawyers have told him that the legality of this meeting is in serious question, and Mueller is taking a long, hard look at that issue. Since when has Trump ever paid the least bit attention to what his lawyers say? No, obtaining a benefit from a hostile foreign government is not something American election campaigns do "all the time in politics." It is the kiss of death, and anyone caught doing it is awfully stupid.

    It went nowhere. That is completely irrelevant. The Russian government provided a test. Would the highest levels of the Trump campaign agree to collaborate with the Russian government? The Russians made it quite clear to Trump's son, Trump's son-in-law, and Trump's campaign manager they were meeting with representatives of the Russian government (see OP). The highest levels of Trump's campaign passed the test with flying colors. It is not the results of the meeting that is important. The intentention of Trump's campaign leaders is what is important.

    I did not know about it! No reason to believe Trump would suddenly stop lying. We are now 18 months into the Trump administration, and one thing is perfectly clear. Trump runs the entire show. He is even his own communications director. He wishes not to share the spotlight with members of his cabinet. Whether it is talking about tariffs, the economy, security along our southern border, the summit with Kim Jong Un, the summit with Putin, Trump does the talking. Trump is the ultimate control freak. He controls everything said or done in the Trump White House. That is his nature. That is how he ran his business empire. Trump's son, Trump's son-in-law, and Trump's campaign manager, met with four Russian operatives at Trump's home, Trump Tower, to gain leverage over the Clinton campaign. We are supposed to believe that he knew nothing about the meeting. Hey, that's a good one.
     
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    Hmm, what part of 'indirectly' in your own post don't you understand? Who do you think you are kidding here on this forum with these 3 year old "they did not know that the dossier with dirt on Trump came from Russia" excuses?

    You are confused, in legal context "information" is not a thing, its value was not established and the law unambiguously allows buying and selling anything from anyone, including foreign nationals.
     
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    in a court of law the prosecution has the burden of proof.

    where is your proof that Hillary knew Fusion GPS hired non-American Steele as a sub-contractor, 3 months after she hired them to do Opposition Research?

    perhaps Fusion GPS should be charged with violating Federal election laws, but unless you can prove that Hillary knew Steele was on their payroll and doing research for them you have no case.
     
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    It was not free of charge. You get nothing from the Russians free of charge. How was your stay on Mars?

    The Russians wanted some understanding of the Magnitsky Act if Trump was elected.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act
     
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    doesn't matter if it was for free, bardered or paid for.

    Federal election campaigns can RECEIVE nothing from a foreigner that may benefit their campaign.
     
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    She and the entire DNC knew the information was coming from Russia and Russian sources, it was called the Russian dossier for a reason. Lock her up LOL :D
     
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    Russia didn't provide any info for the Steele Dossier.

    no one has claimed they did.

    you're confused.
     
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