Obama does not endorse Cortez

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  1. Rhym3pays

    Rhym3pays Well-Known Member

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    Ramblings of a child -- if you don't like a word, just say its BS, despite the decades of history behind it -- sorry, it doesn't work that way.

    Teddy Roosevelt will very much disagree with you thinking being a progressive is BS...let's take a look at some of Teddy's quotes:

    "At many stages in the advance of humanity, this conflict between the men who possess more than they have earned and the men who have earned more than they possess is the central condition of progress" -- This was a speech he was giving about the concentration of wealth at the top -- but for some reason Teddy's not called a communist

    Here is some more Teddy:
    "The Constitution guarantees protection to property, and we must make that promise good. But it does not give the right of suffrage to any corporation…. There can be no effective control of corporations while their political activity remains. To put an end to it will be neither a short nor an easy task, but it can be done…Corporate expenditures for political purposes, and especially such expenditures by public-service corporations, have supplied one of the principal sources of corruption in our political affairs." <<-- What!!! Did Teddy say those mean hurtful things about corporations? what a commie!!

    This is why I have zero respect for Trump supporters when they throw around terms -- because many of them have no idea what they are talking about
     
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  2. Rhym3pays

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    Who is not a progressive -- pretty much the point the poster was making
     
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    What a crock.

    Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would increase government health care spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, according to a study by a university-based libertarian policy center. That's trillion with a "T."

    The latest plan from the Vermont independent would require historic tax increases as government replaces what employers and consumers now pay for health care, according to the analysis being released Monday by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University in Virginia. It would deliver significant savings on administration and drug costs, but increased demand for care would drive up spending, the analysis found.

    Sanders' plan builds on Medicare, the popular insurance program for seniors. All U.S. residents would be covered with no copays and deductibles for medical services. The insurance industry would be relegated to a minor role.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-...d-by-bernie-sanders-would-cost-32-6-trillion/
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    You should read your links before you post em -- they DO NOT help with your fearmongering

    All of this BS was said when Medicare was started and in the words of your own linked article:

    "Sanders' plan builds on Medicare, the popular insurance program for seniors." -- why is something that is supposed to be so inferior and costly so popular?

    Why when medicare first rolled out -- did all of the seniors hop on it? Why didn't they insist on waiting on private market solutions? Because the private market failed, period.
     
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  5. Liberty Monkey

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    Did I diss Obama on this? Not often I agree with him but I tip my MAGA hat to him on this.
     
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    Obviously, you have no idea what I'm talking about.

    I'm not talking about TR and his so-called "progressives". I'm talking about lunatic Leftist idiots who refer to themselves as "progressives" today, and they more closely resemble the "progressives" that Henry Wallace marched out of the Democratic party in 1948. Here's a History lesson for you:

    Progressive Party, 1948
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1948)

    More about these "progressives" and their agenda in this CPUSA article "Bernie Sanders' 'Political Revolution'":

    Are you starting to understand what I mean when I say "progressive" is a bullshit term?

    Thanks for unintentionally reinforcing my point...
     
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    Why don't you take a swing at my response to you?

    Let's take a deep dive into your ideas.
     
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    Yeah, let's take a look at PROJECTED COSTS VS REALITY, shall we?


    In 1965, the House Ways and Means Committee estimated that the hospital insurance program of Medicare - the federal health care program for the elderly and disabled - would cost $9 billion by 1990. The actual cost that year was $67 billion.


    In 1967, the House Ways and Means Committee said the entire Medicare program would cost $12 billion in 1990. The actual cost in 1990 was $98 billion.

    In 1987, Congress projected that Medicaid - the joint federal-state health care program for the poor - would make special relief payments to hospitals of less than $1 billion in 1992. Actual cost: $17 billion.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/18/health-programs-have-history-of-cost-overruns/
     
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    Exactly. They're idiots.

    This report is suggesting that the cost of 15% of the population on medicare (not to include added dental, vision, etc) will cost about the same as putting 100% of the population on it.

    It also assumes that at these levels, hospitals can give care while receiving at least 40% less, drug prices bottom out, and administrative costs will be lower than under a free market economy.

    They're exceedingly stupid.
     
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    Obama campaigned as a bit of a centrist with an enlightened view of foreign policy, one that could perhaps help heal race relations in the U.S.

    I'd say he was pretty much none of those things.

    However, he's not a stupid man. Almost 100% of her platform is built upon feelings. She cannot articulate a coherent argument, and for someone with a degree in economics from Boston University her fiscal knowledge is extraordinarily flimsy. He sees this but will never call her out for her stupidity.
     
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    But Socialism has never been implemented properly before – this time around, I’m sure top people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will succeed where Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Mao, Castro, Chavez, Maduro, etc. have failed.
     
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    These idiots talk about the medicare report and can't even understand what they're reading.

    It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
     
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    Socialism only works when its supported by Capitalism
     
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    May you rest in peace Lady Thatcher, you are dearly missed.
     
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    Creamed!
     
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    Progs have always been Totalitarian nutjobs. The Progressive Movement is a counter revolution to the US Constitutional System.

    Democratic Socialist agenda to cost $42.5 trillion in next decade, says … Vox?

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    $218 trillion over the next 30 years.
     
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    Absolutely, and as a group they exhibit all the qualities of a cult, i.e., the votaries of a utopian faith who are trying to create an impossible world for an impossible humanity. This is how they're able to negate any sense of remorse and responsibility for the hundreds of millions of people they have killed, enslaved and impoverished over the past century and remain stubbornly dedicated to their faith. As "progressives" from François-Noël Babeuf to Joseph Stalin have insisted, if millions have to die to achieve their utopian fantasies, it is not only necessary, it is often desirable (liquidate the kulaks!).

    The violence "progressives" are directing at their political opponents today is just more of the same, and of course they express no remorse and responsibility for it. In fact, some of them revel in it, like Dickens' tricoteuse Madame Defarge.

    Indeed, it is, which is why I point that out in my signature. Samuel Adams and the rest of our Forefathers were familiar with the wolf at our door - they were there at its birth when it crawled out of the bloodbath of the French Revolution. In many respects, our Constitution was designed to frustrate their will to power, which is why "progressives" hate it so much.

    Completely irrational, yet they propose it just the same. All that matters is the bright shining idea...
     
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    I think they also see themselves as in control of the Totalitarian government they impose.
     
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    He's as progressive as Bush Jr. His presidency was just an eight year extension of the Bush presidency.
     
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    They are communist they want a super elite class for them and everyone else in poverty which they will claim is for the good of the people.

    $15 a hour for everyone is no problem when you quantitative ease like the Socialist are planning.
     
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