The atheist gods of 'Lack', the only true religion?

I did not apply to everything under the sun you can dream up to apply it too.

I am not the one who came up with lack, and its not my fault if they are clueless to what they are trying to argue. Its their argument they should know what they are arguing about.

Agnostic is a person who abstains from a taking a position either way, which is to neither believe nor disbelieve EITHER side.

I agree ignorance is not excuse so why are you apologizing for it and pretending someone elses ignorance has anything to do with me or is my responsibility to fix? wtf already

you apparently fail to comprehend the difference between capable and incapable. Something that is incapable cannot not does not. something that cannot believe cannot disbelieve and cannot elect not to believe. I am not here to teach you or anyone else simple grammar ffs, neither am I going to allow you to drag me back into any of your 1000 post **** stick circle jerks, because you get obtuse. Below are the definitions and after this point I suggest you take an elementary english class.

Otherwise your claims are based in a false or faulty premise and a total waste of time due to incorrect grammar construction.


Definition of do for Students

do

verb: do; 3rd person present: does; past tense: did; gerund or present participle: doing; past participle: done

1.
perform (an action, the precise nature of which is often unspecified)

Definition of believe for Students

believed; believing
1 : to have faith or confidence in the existence or worth of
I don't believe in ghosts.
He believes in daily exercise.

2 : to accept as true
Don't believe everything you read.

3 : to accept the word of
They didn't believe me.

4 : to hold an opinion : think
I believe I'll have more time later.

Definition of believe
believed; believing
transitive verb
1 a : to consider to be true or honest

Definition of disbelieve
transitive verb
: to hold not worthy of belief : not believe

Definition of disbelief
: the act of disbelieving : mental rejection of something as untrue

Definition of belief
1 : a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing


Synonym Discussion of belief
belief, faith, credence, credit mean assent to the truth of something offered for acceptance. belief may or may not imply certitude in the believer. ⟨my belief that I had caught all the errors⟩

faith almost always implies certitude even where there is no evidence or proof. ⟨an unshakable faith in God⟩

credence suggests intellectual assent without implying anything about grounds for assent. ⟨a theory now given credence by scientists⟩

credit may imply assent on grounds other than direct proof. ⟨gave full credit to the statement of a reputable witness⟩

 

geebus ffs, NO, Wrong Again! to mean what you are trying to say you have to say lacks ANY belief.

this is turning into kokos ****ing elementary grammar school ffs

you guys really ****ing crack me up. the 'do' is not getting inverted, (the function of not) believe is, the not applies to believe. you people need to give it a rest already you already dug your hole all the way to china

 

Definition of believe for Students

Definition of believe
believed; believing
transitive verb
1 a : to consider to be true or honest

Definition of disbelieve
transitive verb
: to hold not worthy of belief : not believe

believed; believing
1 : to have faith or confidence in the existence or worth of
2 : to accept as true
3 : to accept the word of
4 : to hold an opinion : think

Definition of disbelief
: the act of disbelieving : mental [to] rejection of something as untrue


He was not talking about believe or belief, he was talking about burden of proof, which falls upon the claimant, regardless if its for or against belief or disbelief or not. I have to laugh, the more you try to squirm out of it the more you get twisted up in your underwear. Seriously you are taking this too far over the deep end for me to give a damn and argue the points. When I give you the dictionary and you still dont comprehend your error it reduces this to nothing more than word masturbation which bores me to tears since I can talk to a rock all day and it is totally incapable to comprehend, believe or disbelieve or 'do' anything at all for that matter.

 

It seems to me they are consistent among themselves, with others and with the dictionaries' descriptions of the english language. The problem seems centered around you as far as I can tell.

I think his ignorance is an excuse, since you've given him no explanation of the curveball you threw him. Yours is not, since lots of people have explained this situation.

I agree, I have no interest in the large post counts. The rest of this bit, I answer to towards the bottom of this post.

Here are the definitions of disbelief and disbelieve that I find:

Disbelief:
"inability or refusal to accept that something is true or real." (source)
"Inability or refusal to accept that something is true or real." (source)
"the inability or refusal to believe or to accept something as true." (source)
"refusal or inability to believe She watched in disbelief." (source)

Disbelieve:
"be unable to believe." (source)
": to hold not worthy of belief : not believe" (source)
"to not believe someone or something" (source)
(my underlining in all of these)

It seems to me a rock satisfies the definition for disbelief here. It is unable to believe, it does not believe, so by definition of disbelief, it disbelieves. The state which a rock is in, with respect to a statement, is disbelief.

 

No worries, you didn't shut anything down. I realized he's a waste of time so that's why I haven't bothered with him.

 

I think it is clearly impossible for anyone to know what a rock believes or disbelieves.

impossible: adjective
US /ɪmˈpɑs·ə·bəl/
[ not gradable ] unable to exist, happen, or be achieved; not possible:

an impossible goal
[ + to infinitive ] It’s almost impossible to get them to agree on anything.

 

The sad part is that you are proving my point about literacy which requires more than the ability to simply read words and spit them out in any fashion lacker style, its also the ability to properly assemble the meanings of the words being conveyed.

the first clue that you are wrong is that a rock cannot refuse or hold something as not worthy because it has no brain, no verb can apply, you keep hand-waving that little mountain away and pretending it does have a brain.

You need first to know that a rock has no brain therefore no way to process information.

It still takes a brain to understand whats being communicated and which senses apply and which do not.

Its impossible for a rock to do anything defined with a verb much less disbelief.

 

I have no problem what so ever knowing that a rock cannot believe or disbelieve since it is not sentient, or are you going to argue it is?

 

As I've presented in the definitions, disbelief is not limited to holding something as not worthy or refusal to hold something, but also includes an inability to believe something, and given rocks' literal absent-mindedness, they are not able to believe something (they are unable, they have the inability, the disbelief). Wasn't it you who complained about people cherry picking their definitions?

 

When the application of a word is argued the definition in many cases has to be cherry picked when people do not comprehend the intended meaning or argue a different than intended menaing.

again your choice of words sucks because they do not apply!

Absent-mindedness is where a person shows inattentive or forgetful behavior. It can have three different causes: a low level of attention ("blanking" or "zoning out")
Absent-mindedness - Wikipedia

a rock is not a person!

You are the one who is cherry picking not me. again I used words like does not have the capacity and explained that using the words impossible, and as usual you are throwing every explanation of the sense I tried to convey away and then applying your synonym meanings (incorrectly no less) to be obtuse and create strawman arguments that I clearly did not mean.

 

Well, that's the problem, isn't it. You're reacting to people who make arguments about atheism and what it means. Those people have used their words with a certain intended meaning. In this case, disbelief is intended to mean simply being in a state in which one would refrain from uttering "I believe there is a god", regardless if its because one believes something else or because one is undecided. That is the intended meaning in those arguments you have been commenting on. Your failure to take that into account and meet those arguments accordingly is you not comprehending the intended meaning (or pretending not to).

I said 'literal' absent-mindedness, indicating that I meant an interpretation in which each part is interpreted on its own.

Literal:
Taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or exaggeration.
‘dreadful in its literal sense, full of dread’ (source)

That being said, I think you're well aware of what I'm trying to say, you're just grasping for excuses not to address it.

As I've presented in the definitions, disbelief is not limited to holding something as not worthy or refusal to hold something, but also includes an inability to believe something, and given that a rock has no brain, they are not able to believe something (they are unable, they have the inability, the disbelief).

 

'literally' it requires a 'person', since presumably a person can think, a rock is not a person, a rock cannot think.
That is without metaphor!
You used is metaphorically ffs!

as the result of a decision, that which is impossible for a rock to make!

They use them incorrectly as do you. a rock can not be in any state of anything but its composite elements. The intended meaning has to match a legitimate slot and be logically defendable, lack is not, not in their intended meaning, in fact its a joke in their intended meaning.

in a state
in a state
1. Agitated, anxious, or upset. Tommy's been in a state ever since we took his video games away from him.
2. Chaotic or unruly; disheveled; very messy or untidy. I'd invite you in for a cup of tea, but the house is in a state at the moment. My hair was in a state when I woke up this morning, and I haven't been able to do anything with it all day!
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in+a+state

So if nothing else that proves I can be equally obtuse as you in this game. Now if we want to get sensible about it:

state
(stāt)n.1. a. A condition or mode of being, as with regard to circumstances
and the only reasonable usage of being as pertaining to a rock is:
being
(bē′ĭng)n.1. The state or quality of having existence

That [state] is your intended meaning before the obtuse factor was applied. That said your assessment of state is none the less incorrect again since lackers are not in the state you described, they prove this when they claim they are atheist which is the state as I have refuted. The only version that fits your state and not even very well is agnostic.

I have proven that using lack has proven neo atheists to be a laughing stock, well to everyone but neo atheists that will distort convention any way they can to hang on to any imaginary construct they can.
Everything you listed are verbs, rocks cant do verbs, LOL

Now I am supposed to be well aware of what you are trying to say while you can plead ignorance to what I am trying to say?

Typical neo atheist double standards we have come to know and love.

 

The metaphor in absent minded is that an absent minded person's mind is absent, rather than just not paying attention. That's the metaphor I was using it without.

It's asides like this which make our threads drag on.

Says who? Definition doesn't say anything about "as the result of a decision".

"In a state" does not have to be used like that idiom, like phrases like "In a state of undress" and "in a state of bliss" shows.

It seems to me this has more to do with your impression of what convention is.

"To exist" is a verb, do rocks not exist? It seems to me you have mixed up doing something with the act of deciding to do that thing.

"Supposed to"? Eh. Maybe you do, maybe you don't, I'm just saying what it looks like when you're putting your effort into sidetracks.

 

then why do you go there, you know I will rebut everything that is not according to hoyle.
absent minded as I said requires a person!

It uses the verb believe which requires a sentient being on the same level as a human with a brain.

I know I made an edit, pointing out how easy it is to be completely obtuse and plead ignorance by posting strawman usages as you have been doing.

or yours!

exist
[ig-zist]
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
verb (used without object)

1. to have actual being; be: The world exists, whether you like it or not.
2. to have life or animation; live.
3. to continue to be or live: Belief in magic still exists.
   
   last time I checked a rock is an object is it not? Anything prefixed with [To] is a verb, To rock is a verb though rock is a noun.

the side tracks you create with the plethora of incorrect usage you post.


and all this **** drives back to the inappropriate use of lack to mean all or none in a case where it can be more or less. neo atheists ****ed that up for themselves by hijacking a word that best applies and has been previously applied to agnostics.

I explained it to you and others countless times.

when the only choices are 1 or 0 then lack means 0.
when other choices are available lack means <1.

In the case of lacking belief with regard to weak atheist or weak theist proves beyond a shadow of doubt lack means <1, NOT 0, and especially in the case of the loonacy agnostic-atheist, or agnostic theist and so forth which is some seriously ****ed up grammar.

 

And still, I lack belief, I am an atheist.

 

and still, anyone that lacks disbelief is a theist!

 

Oh yes, neo atheists the gift that keeps on giving!

So, if, like me you are slightly insulted when some fool reduces your carefully thought-out philosophy to a "lack of belief," I think you should challenge it. Ask this person how strong his belief is. I don't know a single Christian who avoids shellfish for religious reasons, though the Bible says they should (Leviticus 11:9-12). I don't know anyone who avoids clipping the sides of their beard (Leviticus 19:27), or avoids tattoos because the Bible says they should (Leviticus 19:2. These are all examples of lack of belief aren't they? Who lacks more belief, the Christian or the atheist?

http://www.atheistrepublic.com/blog/alexander-james/lack-belief

 

I lack belief, I am an atheist.

 

I lack disbelief I'm a theist!

 

I have disbelief.....I'm an Atheist.
I lack belief...I'm an Atheist.
I believe in believing I do not believe...I'm an Atheist.
I lack belief in believing...I'm an Atheist.

~Or~

To speak like a normal human adult....I do not believe in God.

 

I don't agree that that means that the word disbelief needs to be as the result of a decision. What logic/rule/otherwise do you derive that from?

Just to make it clear, in what sense are you using the word "uses"? Do you mean that any definition which includes another word which depends on a decision in itself must be a decision?

Given that we often seem to use different definitions for things, I find it very important to figure out exactly what we mean. I'm not doing it to be a pain, I usually do it when there is some aspect of it which is not clear to me, definition or interpretation.

In the sentence I suggested, the rock is the subject. The thing you highlighted points out the difference between sentences like "I eat food" and "I exist", where "eat" can be used to describe one noun doing something to (with/by/etc) another noun, whereas "I exist" would normally not be used without a grammatical object (further reading).

My point stands, verbs do not imply that something is done/performed/whatever as the result of a decision. "The rock exists" is an example of this.

I agree you have explained it countless times. I have no need for a regurgitation of it, I want to see a justification for it.

Let's say "I believe there is a god" is 1, "I believe there is no god" is -1 and agnosticism is 0. "not( I believe there is no god)" corresponds to "not 1". -1 is not 1, 0 is not 1.

 

Prove that a rock isn't sentient.

 

Ok

I lack disbelief I'm a theist
I lack belief I'm an athiest
I lack belief and disbelief I'm a ....
I posess belief and disbelief I'm a ...

 

anything that requires an action, verbs identify an action, still not clear?

well you certainly have great difficulty with words and logic