The US was once a leader for healthcare and education — now it ranks 27th in the world

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  1. jwmac

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    Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3

    "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes."

    Show me how....
     
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    And the problem is govt intrusion into health care, an intrusion exacerbated by the disaster that is obamacare.
     
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    Josephwalker, I should work for the FBI, and here's why;

    The article "leaving Canada for Medical Care" you mentioned in your post states the following eye-opening reasons;

    "Canadians who choose to seek treatment abroad do so for several reasons, many of which may relate to their inability to access quality health care in a timely fashion within Canada’s borders. Some patients may be sent out of country by the public health care system due to a lack of available resources or
    because some procedures or equipment are not provided in their home jurisdiction.

    ...….many of which may relate to their inability to access quality health care in a timely fashion within Canada’s borders......VERY IMPORTANT INFO
    ...….some patients may be sent out of country by the public health care system due to a lack of available resources......VERY IMPORTANT INFO
    ........ or because some procedures or equipment are not provided in their home jurisdiction...….VERY IMPORTANT INFO

    I then asked myself the following question; How many Canadians have been sent to the U.S. by their own health agencies, and at their tax payer's expense?

    Answer; Thousands! and interestingly, Canadian health agencies have created a large number of partnerships with U.S. border hospitals and medical universities because they have smaller capital budgets. In other words, cheaper to send patients in the U.S. versus the cost of building new hospitals.

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    In addition, Canada's single-payer is an ESSENTIAL CARE health care system, and their public health care plans do not cover non-essential cosmetic surgeries, thus, how many Canadians do seek their non-essential cosmetic surgeries in the U.S.?

    Also, thousands of Canadians do seek care in the U.S. because they are rich, thus, "I WANT TO BE CARED FOR...….IMMEDIATELY"

    THUS, overall, how many Canadians do seek medical care in the U.S. because their system stinks?

    Answer; Name me a health care system where its satisfactory level equates to 100%?

    Answer; Perhaps the same percentage as Americans seeking medical care abroad due to COST.
     
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    I'm not against there being some sort of subsidized insurance plan. But it shouldn't be a permanent way of life it shouldn't be for everyone and it should be based on need and merit

    good so we have found some common ground.

    here is point where we diverge. I think people who can afford to care for themselves should care for themselves they don't need to be cared for.

    I disagree if you become ill to the point it threatens your life you can go to a county hospital and get treatment. The hospital is not going to tell people to go die in the gutter.
     
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    It is sad....Unfortunately as my dad always used to say...Medicine started going downhill the moment they invented insurance.....He was a Pharmacist, my sister is a PA, and my daughter is an RN....And thank you for your care throughout your career.

    To answer your question though....The cold reality is that Ezekiel Emmanuel already told us with this....

    http://www.jpands.org/vol18no3/huntoon.pdf
     
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    Democracies fail because of selfish people who vote themselves other people's property
     
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    I've already told them this a thousand times
    These dimwits really think they're getting as much as they want, when they want it and how they want it.
     
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    On the R&D level, absolutely not. It should be about as open to do as humanly possible.

    Do you also believe we should only let licensed chemist practice chemistry?
     
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    Wickard V Filburn. Commerce that is intra state can affect commerce that is interstate so essentially all large commerce can be regulated by the federal government.
     
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    All they're going to get is a Tylenol, and Uber's number to get the hell out of the ER and go home.
     
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    So, you're saying that education is commerce?
     
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    Are teachers paid? They are selling their skills for profit
     
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    Yay! We are all failing!!! The sky is falling. LOL
     
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    Education, healthcare....etc
     
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    Somehow I don't think that the founders envisioned Education as 'Commerce'.... But, give a liberal an inch....ya know.
     
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    In that respect then everything is commerce no?
     
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    Why do you ask? If there is an exception I am open to hearing it
     
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    1. Do you know what that does the economy ?
    2. So just work your ass off to only pay for insurance ?
    3. Second car ? You realize that a "second car" is not a luxury right ?

    You think a family that makes $50,000 can afford "eating out", concerts and sporting events ? That family, after paying for that $10,000 for their insurance takes home around $1900. Thats has to cover housing, food, gas, clothes, and everything else. This idea that everyone is just wasting money is ridiculous. Some do, but most are just trying to make ends meet
     
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    I don't care about their visions
     
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    Clearly.
     
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    Old Tom Jefferson often talked about his visions of the AR 15 with a UTG Sub-compact 120 Lumen Flashlight Laser Combo and Magpul front and rear Flip-up Sights in FDE
     
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    Oh, so once the SCOTUS rules we can never overturn it eh?

    I had no idea Plessy was still the law of the land.
     

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