BREAKING: President Trump Announces Aid Cuts to Multiple Countries Over Illegal Caravan .....

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  1. BULGARICA

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    No. USA don't need to only cut aid to the Third World. They need to arm Balkan, Romanian, Hungarian, Slovak and Polish people and let us guard. Like paid mercs to guard the borders. And the Cartels and illegals are done.
     
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    If they loved their country, they would stay and try to improve it.

    Instead, they're coming to America to be leeches, while disrespecting our laws and flying their flag in our country.

    My ancestors came from Germany and Sweden. They didn't wave German and Swedish flags in the faces of the American immigration personnel on Ellis Island.
     
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    Was that a yes or a no? Why is everyone so loath to commit to this?
     
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    Adfundum Moderator Staff Member Donor

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    So there's nothing left for me to do but sit back and chuckle.

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    I didn't claim to be commander in chief, did I? I don't remember any such suggestion.
     
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    If your ancestors came from Germany and Sweden, both economically sound countries, they never knew poverty even close to that of Honduras. You cannot put yourself in their position because living in their shoes in Honduras for a single day would make your head spin and you'd want to get out any way you could. We spoiled Americans, even the poorest of poor in this country, can't even be compared to the extreme poverty and danger these people live with every day. They're powerless with a dictatorial government that is stealing the government for all its worth. The people didn't elect him, the election was rigged.

    The poor live in very dangerous situations and struggle with overwhelming circumstances every day. It is difficult for many of us to imagine what it must be like to be surrounded by rain-soaked, muddy floors, and walls made of plastic on a daily basis. They only want to escape a life of poverty and these destitute families need a proper roof over their heads, clean water and sanitation.


    and the violence...

     
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    Poverty is does not qualify someone for asylum.

    But if they really loved America and wanted to be accepted here, they may want to fly American flags. They shouldn't tell Americans their true loyalty is to the crap country they're fleeing.
     
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    Flag mean nothing, it's a piece of cloth. You may be familiar with a quote from Huey Long, "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross" Patriotism isn't defined by waving (or hugging) a flag.
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    I disagree on the mines only because Asia has had some pretty ****ed up experiences with them left over. Plus this is obsolete, what they really need is 24/7 satellite footage and a computer to raise the attention of officers in the area when a border crossing is taking N place.
     
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    While we really appreciate your gracious offer? We have about 2 million in our military forces counting both active duty and reserves so, we are quite capable of securing our borders. We put 600,000 troops on the Sands of Saudi Arabia to liberate Kuwait, we can damn sure, quickly secure our Southern border, any time we wish to.

    White Socialists aren't a bright bunch. They are convinced these folks are NATURALLY communist/socialist. So the left is fully invested in replacing every white person with someone who can tan, because then communism will automagically happen.

    This is at the back of their obsession with “demographic replacement” for countries like the US.

    Being enormous racists they don’t even understand Latin cultures are not naturally communist or socialist. They only see what they want to see. Latin cultures are basically the outposts of Rome (and sometimes Rome’s bloody borders) with mostly hereditary families governing under the guise of being voted in. As far as power of the rich, they’re far, far worse than the US and more like feudal systems than capitalism. But that don’t make them socialist. Something only socialists can ignore.

    This belief that melanin equals communitarian thought is why they keep claiming people like Thomas Sowell are race traitors.

    It’s so stupid, so imbecilic, so infantile only the indoctrinated could believe it. And they believe it because they don’t know the origins of the idea and never examined it. They just internalized it as part of their subconscious assumptions.

    https://accordingtohoyt.com/2018/10/24/the-elephants/
     
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    What the gullible won't believe!
    First, the caravan isn't funded by Soros or the Democrats. It is led by religious NGO's with a base in those nations.

    Here's a couple more that have been debunked:

    Were 100 ISIS Terrorists Caught in Guatemala as a Central American Caravan Headed to the US?
    Two different news stories separated in time and space created the impression that ISIS terrorists were traveling with a group of migrants from Central America.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/i...utm_source=CampaignMonitor&utm_term=Read more

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    Were These Mexican Police Officers Brutalized by Members of a Migrant Caravan?

    A series of photographs showing injured police officers are genuine, but they are several years old and have nothing to do with immigrants or caravans.


    CLAIM

    Photographs show police officers who were brutalized by members of a migrant caravan in October 2018.

    RATING

    Miscaptioned

    ORIGIN

    On 20 October 2018, Twitter user Mike Allen posted a photograph of an injured police officer and stated that the pictured individual had been “brutalized” by a member of the migrant caravan that was making its way toward the United States in the fall of 2018:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/m...&utm_source=CampaignMonitor&utm_term=attacked
     
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    A flag is just a piece of cloth?

    The great unwashed masses headed north disagree with you. They're very proud of their banana republic flag.
     
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    HAHA the Military will never be used against those. They're getting paid by structures that are ABOVE the Military. That's why you need Militia patrols. I was talking about civvies.
     
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    The numbers change daily; when they massed at the Guatemalan border there were 3 to 4 thousand, the original surge was just a few hundred, but by the following day Mexican authorities said about 3,500 had crossed into Mexico and that about a thousand were being processed for some sort of humanitarian transit permits. A couple of days later it was reported over 3 thousand more had crossed into Mexico and authorities there estimated there were about 14,000 on the move. They stop along the way, fear, harassment and sickness diminish their number, Mexican police are stopping vehicles transporting refugees and forcing those who paid for the transportation off. Only a fifth of an earlier caravan reached Tijuana, if they follow the same route (which is twice as long) maybe just 3 thousand make it. That's still a lot of people to be claiming asylum absent some catastrophic event like a civil war.

    The situation in Central America is miserable, they are desperately poor and those who have the means try to make it to the US, this has been the case for years now and anyone following the immigration crisis knows Mexicans are a diminishing source of undocumented crossings as Guatemalans, Salvadoreans, Nicaraguans and Hondurans take their place. The innovation now is the mass exodus which offers the destitute Central Americans the hope to escape their misery without having to pay smugglers to get them over. They usually would ride dangerously clinging to freight trains, many horribly mutilated and killed when they fell off, and often those who got smuggled across the border would die lost wandering barren borderland in Arizona.

    On the political angle, no doubt alarm over the caravan agitates conservatives, many of whom supported Trump's call to build that wall. Many of his critics dismiss concern over the competition for low wage jobs taken by illegal immigrants, but the most vociferous among them are not struggling to get by on minimum wage (and probably benefit from cheap undocumented labor). Central America is known to the US as not just very poor, they have a major problem with drugs and criminal gangs, it is reasonable to be worried about gang members trying to get across with the caravan. I doubt there are Islamic fundamentalists among the migrants, but we've no way of knowing and this development would present an opportunity for them to get in. No doubt Trump is exploiting conservative concerns, but if you are interested in the actual political background lookup Pueblo Sin Fronteras:

    So there you have it in a nutshell; the main concern is poverty, a secondary concern is gang violence. And again I reiterate, there is no right to asylum due to poverty, what the law requires is that a refugee establish "well-founded fear of persecution" from the government.
     
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    Yes, if they attempt to cross our borders. It would not take killing many of them to turn the rest of them back.
     
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    We shouldn't just wantonly start killing people, but we should round them up when we find them, and put them into not-very-pleasant 'detention camps' (making certain that we don't separate them from their brats) until we can truck the whole damned bunch of them back to border crossing points, and then we summarily dump their illegal asses back into Mexico!

    But, if you still want to shoot somebody, perhaps you would do the most good by lining up and shooting the AMERICAN EMPLOYERS who deliberately or negligently hire illegal aliens in the first place! Indeed, to paraphrase what you said about shooting illegal invaders, "It would not take killing many such AMERICAN EMPLOYERS to make the rest of them stop it cold!"

    And perhaps even more long-lasting benefit could be achieved by applying the same remedy to those who enable, aid, support, and promote the importation of illegal aliens for POLITICAL ADVANTAGE. One wonders if there would be many radical, America-hating Democrats left anywhere after that kind of 'purge'.... :cynic:
     
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    In past years, heaven help the politicians who forgot to put an American flag lapel pin on, they were accused of being Kenyan-born Muslims who hated America. And if anyone refused to stand for the national anthem … well, they were just about as close to an ungrateful traitor as anyone could get without actually being one. Right-wing conservatives screamed and tore their hair out if someone didn't put their hand over their heart during the Pledge of Allegiance or didn't incorporate a flag somewhere in their apparel. Fox News spent hours bemoaning the lack of patriotism by every liberal who dared to go out in the morning without wearing the flag. A person was an American as long as they wore that tag visibly on their body.

    The idea of Russia and America getting along on itself, is not a bad one. But the idea that Trump can forge a stronger friendship with a man who approved hacking our election, invaded the Ukraine because he felt like it, and assassinated his political enemies is, to put it mildly, very unpatriotic. The fact that Trump admires this man as a strong leader is positively frightening. Is Putin the man we should admire and encourage our children to admire?

    But it is apparently not frightening to conservatives who feel that wearing American flag apparel or waving the American flag is the ultimate in patriotism and nothing else is needed to prove you're a true American. You casually overlook the fact that our president thinks we should imitate Russia as though it is some sort of beacon of democracy. If Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton had made those remarks, right-wing conservatives would already have the articles of impeachment drawn up. Apparently for some, patriotism is something that can be waved in the air or worn and taken on and off as easily as a lapel pin, and it has just as much meaning to them.

    So, yes. Any flag of any country is only a piece of cloth representing patriotism. The true meaning of patriotism lies in a persons actions and motivations, not the cloth.
     
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    Thank you for a rational and thoughtful reply.
     
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    Finally, someone answered my question. Thank you.
     
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    What?? You don't like capitalism?
     
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    Takes all the meaning out of patriotism, doesn't it?
     
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    That's the least cost and best method to get the point across to them.
     
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    Now, please bear with me...If it's necessary to kill them in order to stop them (as a warning or otherwise), will there be a price to pay for our actions?
     
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    Feel free to google it, those are stats taken from different studies.

    Left leaning studies come up around 40% and right ones around 60%

    Your NPC comment means nothing other than to show your ignorance on the topic.

    Are you trying to imply there is a 100% retention rate? Or are you just trying to cry and throw a temper tantrum about something your uneducated about?
     
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    On the contrary, I like Capitalism a LOT, and, I also like immigration -- LEGAL IMMIGRATION, which is based on rigid observance of our country's immigration laws, the honesty and truthfulness of those seeking to immigrate here, and other considerations -- foremost among which is this question, "Does this self-sustaining person BRING anything of value or usefulness TO the United States?" If any part of the answer is "no" then they need to go somewhere else, or, back where they came from....
     
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    Who is Pueblo Sin Fronteras?

    In case anyone thought this was some Trumpian midterm ploy.
     
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