Complete failure of Gun Control

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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Do you suppose the GOP might be "indifferent" to the failure of DP run cities?
    Where have you seen that posted before - like again and again? ;-
    Crime and fundamental human rights are the issues. Not safety.
    Start a thread about banning cars and ladders if safety is your concern
     
  2. Richard The Last

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    The GOP is responsible for half the problems this country has!
     
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    And the Democrats the other half
     
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    Agreed
     
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    Gun control is ONE of the root causes
     
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    And almost certainly complicit with the DP in 100% of the problems. The DP/RP is the beast with 2 heads.

    “Media reports on government actions, whether debates, legislation, or regulation, almost always present them in terms of pure policy. New laws are for a specific purpose, perhaps even a noble one. But what if that isn't the real purpose of the exercise? What if politics is largely about fund-raising and moneymaking? The commercial motives of the Permanent Political Class in acting or not acting are rarely questioned and virtually never fully understood.” EXTORTION, "How Politicians Extract Your money, BuyVotes, And Line Their Own Pockets, Peter Schweizer, HMO, NY, NY, 2013. p. 2, 3.
     
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    Because gun control isn't related to an agenda driven by crime reduction.
     
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    But then the RP does not run the cities neither does the Federal government.
    Google: "sanctuary cities" to see how that works. :)
     
  9. Richard The Last

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    Exactly. Do away with it and no more problem.
     
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    Rich....I just dont see where that works
     
  11. PRAIRIEOUTLAW

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    Ok, you have a bit of flawed information... You base your suggestions that fewer guns results in less violent crime, You then use two states as examples NY, and MA, but you forget about the OTHER states that have very strict gun laws and VERY HIGH violent crime rates as compared to the rest of the country....
    For example, I could use your argument against you and say that DC has some of the MOST stringent gun laws on the books, yet it sits at the top of the 2017 violent crimes list. I could further that argument in saying that SPECIFIC cities that have the most stringent gun laws (Chicago, LA, New York, and plenty of others) ALSO have the highest violent crime rates even within the states themselves....
     
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    They can make any law they want and enforce it in their cities
     
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    Better scratch new York off that list
     
  14. Richard The Last

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    Sorry, I was just being facetious.
    I don't think gun control is the answer. I do think if we as a nation don't fix some of our problems we will continue to see high gun deaths; murder and suicide.
     
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    How many laws are enforced at the state level consistently? To expect the federal government to enforce laws that will protect its citizens while the local law enforcement does nothing is ludacris...
     
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    No I don't. I only point out violent crime is not a black and white. I'm only countering the generalized bumper sticker claim "More Gun Control = Less Armed Citizens = More Crime." as shown with the states I've listed. As Richard pointed out "Some states with lax gun laws have high crime. some don't. Some states with tough gun laws have high crime, some don't." which is true. Violent crime is all over the place regardless of lax gun laws or strict gun laws.
     
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    Wherever there is a high crime zone there is a shortage of citizens gunning down enough felons in the act to stop the crime wave.
    That's pretty obvious isn't it?
     
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    Hahaha...I noticed you were unable to answer my question...."Could you point out to me which DP run cities in TX, have strict gun laws comparable to NY and MA?"
    So, not...it isn't obvious...but you know that which is why you avoided answering my question ;-)
     
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    If the GOP can not run a state blame them
     
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    Not true anywhere
     
  21. PRAIRIEOUTLAW

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    Well... I'm a numbers person... So let's look at numbers. In 2017 the FBI reported 1,247,321 violent crimes in the entire USA. Of that, 171,248 were in New York City.... That equates to 13.729% of the total violent crimes in the entire country. Now... I acknowledge that NY is a large city and has a large population, but to say they don't have a problem is denying the truth. We can play with the numbers all we want, but they speak truths..... New York has seen decreases in crime, but they still account for MUCH of what happens overall in the US, and if you were to compare it to rural America where all of the guns are actually at.... I think you would have to agree that fewer guns don't statistically lead to a decrease in violent crime.
     
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    That's funny... We see plenty of evidence that the opposite is true but do you "blame the democrats"?
     
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    That's why these types of numbers numbers need to be look at per 10K or per 100K. Otherwise numbers are skewed as in the case of NYC given the population of NYC.
     
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    Please re-read this.... then take a look at the crime maps. I'm 100% confident that the majority of violent crime is committed in larger cities, even within the states that DO have lax gun laws. Those cities on average will have much more strict gun laws than the state itself. We see this in Chicago, Nashville, Baltimore, Memphis, LA... heck just about everywhere. In contrast, the majority of the violent crime is carried out in areas that DO have more stringent laws and restrict the citizens.
    So, yes your information is flawed on how you are approaching this.
     
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    So the major cities in TX, for example, have more strict gun laws? Can you point out those cities and share those cities gun laws? And no, looking at violent crime RATES is not flawed.
     

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