Is Trump guilty of suborning perjury?

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  1. garyd

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    When hell freezes over get used to it.
     
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    LOL, House investigations are so fruitful. NOT.
     
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    You're saying you don't think that the Democratic Congress is going to hold open, public hearings? Please confirm so I can copy the post.
     
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    Being the job of congress does not mean it has to happen. If Mueller finds nothing, a further investigation by congress is pointless and a waste of time. What are they supposed to find that Mueller did not already find?
     
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    He made no such assurances. HE will issue HIS report based on what Mueller sends him. He will release as much as the law and propriety allows which means unsubstantiated charges will not be release, information about people who did not commit crimes will not be released.
     
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    A distinction without merit.

    in·ac·cu·rate
    /inˈakyərət/
    adjective

    • 1.not accurate:"false or inaccurate descriptions of goods"

    in•ac•cu•rate
    (ɪnˈæk yər ɪt)

    adj.
    not accurate; incorrect or untrue.

    If the story was true why would Mueller take the unprecedented step of saying it is incorrect and untrue? Are you saying he is lying?
     
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    No I'm saying other partisan rancor and B.S. nothing will come of them. Any more than came from Republican hearings.
     
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    yea, wrong again. Mueller already has dozens of indictments under his belt for a reason. I'm copying this post though. I'm going to really, really, really enjoy bringing it up again later. Thanks for the material.
     
  9. struth

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    Well come on...congress can’t issue indictments...-and we know now the Obama corrupt DOJ wasn’t.
     
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    If you simply read what you have posted you will see that the word inaccurate has a whole range of meanings (including imperfect, flawed, distorted). The word “inaccurate” might, but does necessarily connote the meaning you interpret

    neither documents nor testimony in his possession confirmed anything Buzzfeed said. Either Mueller is lying or Buzzfeed is wrong.
    Mueller is certainly saying that there are elements of the buzzfeed story that are incorrect. It is not clear he is saying that there is no basis whatsover to the buzzfeed story
     
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    Bottom line:

    If the story is false, Mueller can't develop a plea at this point because it would sit as being, "manufactured."

    If the story is true, someone on Mueller's team committed a felony by leaking sensitive DOJ information to the media/public.

    Mueller's statement was simply a, "CYA," move... Mueller will simply have to ditch anything that happens to have some truth attached to it and severely chew out the person responsible for the leak.
     
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    Partisan rancor ? Didn't Republicans used to say they were unified v Russia ? You’re not at odds with democrats, you’re at odds with yourself.
    Republicans used to believe in AGW.
    They used say they were fiscally responsible,
    They used to they believed in the fbi,
     
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    You know if you keep spinning like that you'll need new shoes, cause your current ones will burn up.
     
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    Yes, of course it is. On the other hand you apparently agree with my analysis. You didn't challenge it.
     
  16. garyd

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    Indictments are not convictions, and the overwhelming majority of those indictments will never go to trial being as how they are living in Russia. Of the actual convictions most have nothing to do with trump, and at least will be found to be the result of gross prosecutorial misconduct.
     
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    Mueller's record would indicate he doesn't make unsubstianted charges.
     
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    Deflection duly noted and ignored.
     
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    Gee and we have his campaign manager selling information to the Russians. How much higher up in his campaign can you possibly get? And that despite Trump repeatly claiming there was no contact between his campaign and Russia.
     
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    Or they are both right. Both versions are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

    BuzzFeed said that Trump told Cohen to lie to Congress. This makes perfect sense. What doesn't make sense is that, all on his own, Cohen decided to lie to Congress, a serious felony, to protect Trump and Trump had nothing to do with it. That's absurd.

    Mueller did not question this accusation. Look at what he said. He is solely concerned about his evidence that BuzzFeed reported.
     
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    Actually Mueller never actually categorized the story as untrue or as inaccurate. In fact the statement goes out of it's way not to deny the truth of accusation that Trump ordered Cohen to lie. . Try reading it again and then perhaps you could figure out exactly what Mueller characterized as inaccurate.

    " BuzzFeed’s description of specific statements to the special counsel’s office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen’s congressional testimony are not accurate."
     
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    You don’t even know what you’re talking about. You can’t even read a graph and don’t even know the difference between growth and growth rate. Maybe you need more pictures professor Donald.
    When the facts come out The magic word “ deflection’ Pops up.
     
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    Reading for understanding is a lot to ask from a Trump supporter.
     
  24. CourtJester

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    You should probably excuse them from actually thinking or understanding the written word. They are Trump supporters after all. It was probably Mueller's fault for using worlds or more than two syllables.
     
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    You call it analysis. I call it speculation.
     

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