Ex-Trump adviser Roger Stone arrested as part of Mueller probe

The way that Trump acted even during the transition after the 2016 election, disputing the popular vote, a constant scandal began!

 

I've read the letter, no difference than the letter used by Kenneth Star's special council or the one used to take down Richard Nixon. It gives the council the right to conduct a witch hunt.

 

He wasn’t scared when he telling everyone that he’d been talking to Wikileaks lol

 

Yes. Those exact words appear in the letter.

 

What crime is being charged in Count 6? How is Count 6 a matter of consequence for the United States?

The indictment again implicitly confirms that there was no criminal “collusion” conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia.

The indictment is just the latest blatant demonstration that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office, the Department of Justice, and the FBI have known for many months that there was no such conspiracy. And yet, fully aware that the Obama administration, the Justice Department, and the FBI had assiduously crafted a public narrative that Trump may have been in cahoots with the Russian regime, they have allowed that cloud of suspicion to hover over the presidency — over the Trump administration’s efforts to govern — heedless of the damage to the country.

The rationale for the Trump-Russia investigation — the notion that the Trump campaign had “coordinated” in the Kremlin’s cyber-espionage operation to meddle in the 2016 campaign — has been nothing more than a suspicion harbored by political, law-enforcement, and intelligence officials who loathed Donald Trump. That there may be a thousand good reasons to dislike Donald Trump is irrelevant, for we are talking about investigations, not politics. Investigative suspicions must be rooted in fact, not contempt.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019...tment-underscores-no-trump-russia-conspiracy/

And the media coordinated paramilitary pre-dawn raid what a gaudy confirmation of the depths to which the Special Counsel, the FBI and The Fake News Media have sunk. They stand naked and too tin-eared to be ashamed, before the American People. This is a sickening Federal Process run amuck and all 3 branches of Government seem to agree with Schumer, these Lawless Clods are accountable only to one another, and not to even the 3 Federal Branches acting in concert, and certainly not to The American People.

 

Kenneth Star was suppose to investigate the Clintons Whitewater scandal. But the letter allowed Kenneth Star to conduct a with hunt and what did he uncover ? BUKAKI

 

These discussions are getting kind of boring.
One of Trump's boys gets charged, people here say Mueller has nothing and then they go to jail.

 

The opposite is true. This indictment again confirms that the suggestion of a Trump-Russia conspiracy not founded on fact. The officials calling the shots had long known the premise was factually false. In truth, there was no evidence of Trump-campaign complicity in Russian espionage — nothing but the Clinton-campaign generated, unverified Steele dossier. The months-in-the-making Stone indictment is just the latest proof of that.

Yet investigators were not just content to let the country believe there was a Trump-Russia criminal conspiracy; they affirmatively encouraged the public to believe it was true. Even as they indicted people for providing misleading information and then failing to correct the record, they never themselves corrected the misimpression they had gratuitously created in public statements — the statement issued by FBI director James Comey, with Justice Department approval, just two months after Trump took office; and the statement issued by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein two months later, when he reiterated Comey’s testimony in appointing Special Counsel Mueller.

Let's assume for argument’s sake that the special counsel could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Russian intelligence orchestrated the hacking of the Democratic email accounts (i.e., the servers or accounts of the DNC and Clinton-campaign chairman John Podesta). An intelligence finding is just an assessment of probability; it is not courtroom proof. And Mueller’s indictments of Russian intelligence officers, individuals, and corporate entities are effectively no more than press releases trying to put to rest any questions about Russia’s culpability. As the prosecutors well know, an indictment is just an allegation; it is evidence of nothing. Given that Vladimir Putin is never going to extradite his operatives to face U.S. criminal charges, Mueller’s team well knows that their allegations are freebies — they are never going to be tested in court.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019...tment-underscores-no-trump-russia-conspiracy/

 

Mueller can't even prove that Russian intelligence orchestrated the hacking of the Democratic email accounts (i.e., the servers or accounts of the DNC and Clinton-campaign chairman John Podesta), the foundation of this entire convoluted narrative the the Obama Presidency foisted on The American People.

But, for the sake of argument, let's grant them that one. As prosecutors have further developed their allegations, we’ve learned that Russia obtained the emails through its hackers and somehow got them to WikiLeaks, which then got them into mainstream publications. Mueller’s indictments of Russian entities strongly suggest that Russia acted alone in its hacking and troll-farm operations: The Kremlin neither needed nor sought help from Trump; its operations actually predated Trump’s candidacy; and sometimes it operated against Trump. Moreover, Mueller has never uttered a single sentence in all his charging instruments alleging Trump’s complicity in Russia’s espionage — the indicted Russians have no connection to the Trump campaign, and the indicted people in Trump’s orbit have no connection to Russia’s hacking.

Now we have the Stone indictment.

It alleges no involvement — by Stone or the Trump campaign — in Russia’s hacking. The indictment’s focus, instead, is the WikiLeaks end of the enterprise — i.e., not the “cyberespionage” of a foreign power that gave rise to the investigation, but the dissemination of the stolen emails after the hacking. And what do we learn? That the Trump campaign did not know what WikiLeaks had. That is, in addition to being uninvolved in Russia’s espionage, the Trump campaign was uninvolved in Julian Assange’s acquisition of what Russia stole.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019...tment-underscores-no-trump-russia-conspiracy/

 

They are covering the story. Wonder no more.

 

ANYONE who, having zero training and experience in law as a prosecutor, spews such assertions devoid of factual support as you have here, should be known to be thrashing about much as is seen in a temper tantrum and should then be ignored on the subject.

 

The Stone indictment not only doesn't allege that, it implicitly confirms that this wild fable that justified the SC appoint has no basis.

The Stone indictment reads like an episode of The Three Stooges. Stone and two associates — conservative writer and conspiracy theorist Jerry Corsi, and left-wing-comedian-turned-radio-host Randy Credico, respectively denominated “Person 1” and “Person 2” — are on a quest to find out what WikiLeaks has on Hillary Clinton and when Assange is going to publicize it. But that does not suit Stone, who has cultivated an image of political dirty trickster and plugged-in soothsayer. In public, then, Stone pretends to know more than he knows and to have an insider’s view of Assange’s operation; behind the scenes, he scrounges around for clues about what Assange is up to, hoping some insider will tell him.

That is, it’s a clown show. We have Stone and Corsi racking their brains about how to ferret out what Assange has got, and to understand the timeline in which he might release it — hoping against hope that it will kill off the Clinton bid. And we have Credico, Stone’s radio-host pal, dealing directly with Assange (mainly by interviewing him), then passing information along to Stone while imploring Stone to keep his (Credico’s) name out of it.

Meanwhile, Stone tells his friends in the Trump campaign that he has heard WikiLeaks may have information that would damage Hillary Clinton’s campaign. After the hacked DNC emails are published in July 2016, a “senior Trump campaign official was directed to contact Stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information [WikiLeaks] had regarding the Clinton campaign.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019...tment-underscores-no-trump-russia-conspiracy/

We aren't told who, and if the Trump Campaign was working with Putin to commit this crime, they would know, they wouldn't be asking some clown like Stone. Mueller, in this indictment proves that there is no basis for his appointment.

 

A Special COUNCIL?

What is that?

Is that like a City Commission?

Did you mean Special COUNSEL?

 

The Russians worked with Steele. It is called the Steele dossier but Steele got his information from the Russians. So the question is, "Why would the Russians be contributing harmful information on Donald Trump if they were supporting him"?

"Fusion had been hired to get information on Trump during the primaries by a Republican media firm, Washington Free Beacon. When Trump became the Republican nominee, the Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party began picking up the tab for the Fusion research. Fusion owner Glenn Simpson hired Steele, a Russia expert, to gather information from his sources in Russia".

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...-payments-trump-dossier-author-steele-n897506

 

Hey...my school district was run by Democrats.

 

What do you mean by "the Russians"? Do you mean the Russian government? Because there is no indication that Steele got his information from a co-ordinated Russian government source.

Everything I have read indicates that Steele gathered information from various sources. Some of whom may have been Russian. But that doesn't mean they had any idea who their information was ultimately going to, or that they knew what it would be used for. A pro like Steele wouldn't go into Russia and ask for dirt on Donny. He would contact his sources and talk about a lot of things. Steer the conversation towards things he wanted to know. His sources might not ever have realised what he was really interested in.

So, no. "The Russians" didn't work with Steele. That's just RWNJ conspiracy theory crap to take the heat off Dirty Donny.

 

You have a vivid and untethered imagination.

Mueller can't even prove the foundation of this collusion fantasy, that the Russians hacked the DNC servers. Mueller claims that someone from the Trump campaign asked Stone to find out what Wikileaks had. First "WHO" and second, if they were colluding with the Russians, why don't they already know? Why ask a clown like Stone if you are in the midst of this great conspiracy with the Russians? Mueller again confirms that the very basis of his appointment is without foundation and he knows it! The Trump campaign had to ask Stone because it was in the dark.

Plainly, the campaign was not involved in the hacking, so it did not know what the Russians gave Assange. And it had no involvement with WikiLeaks’ operations, so it turned to Stone, who had held himself out as a knowledgeable source. But Stone, too, was unsure. Mueller alleges: “STONE thereafter told the Trump campaign about potential future releases of damaging material by [WikiLeaks]” (emphasis added). The prosecutor has to say “potential” because Stone did not have solid knowledge of Assange’s intentions — he tried to find out from others (including Credico, who had contact with Assange), but they did not know for sure exactly what Assange had and whether or when he would publish it.

Keep in mind that it is not a crime to know that bad people have damaging information about your political opponent, nor to try to nudge them to publish it at the time most opportune for your political favorite. Here, the Trump campaign did not even know what WikiLeaks had. Its best source was Stone, but, like the campaign, he was pressing sources who might have the information about WikiLeaks that he lacked. No surprise, then, that Mueller does not even allege that Stone was in a criminal conspiracy with WikiLeaks, let alone that Trump conspired with WikiLeaks — much less with Putin

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019...tment-underscores-no-trump-russia-conspiracy/

 

It looks like Stone was trying to get info from Wikileaks but they found him to be annoying and they ignored him.

He never even had contact with "Russians".

He was definitely a big player.

 

As though you know anything about this. I'm confident Mueller has a ton of damning facts and charges to match. When it breaks it's going to be HUGE and most of Trump's family and associates will be going DOWN.

 

Do you have any evidence to support your claims?

 

The Dirty Mueller Probe, the Corrupt FBI and the Complicit Media as amply demonstrated by this press coordinated pre-dawn paramilitary raid is a stain on us all.

And Mueller knows it. Not only has no one in the Trump campaign been charged with anything regarding the foundation of the Mueller's appointment, even Stone wasn't charged which this corrupt old dirty prosecutor and the compromised FBI tried to cover up with this ridiculous media coordinated paramilitary pre-dawn raid.

Instead, Stone is charged with seven counts of obstructing congressional investigations — by giving misleading testimony, withholding and lying about the existence of records responsive to a congressional request, lying about his communications with Credico, and attempting to influence Credico to lie or refuse to testify. These are serious charges, and while Stone may have cards to play on the allegations that he made misrepresentations, the special counsel appears to have daunting evidence that Stone tampered with Credico’s testimony – a charge that involves Stone’s cheesy exhortations that Credico ape the stonewalling of both Stone hero Richard Nixon and “Frank Pentangeli” (the Michael V. Gazzo character who famously develops witness-stand amnesia in Godfather II).

Nevertheless, that’s secondary as far as the country is concerned. The salient fact is that the evidence-based narrative from which Mueller derives these obstruction charges underscores that the president and his campaign were not complicit in Russia’s hacking of Democrat accounts. That’s not even new news. It is completely consistent with indictments Mueller has been filing for a year.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019...tment-underscores-no-trump-russia-conspiracy/

 

The placement of an I instead of an E really threw you off, did it?

 

But in the meanwhile you'll continue, without any evidence, to believe. Leftism is like a religion, isn't it?

 

"WHAAAA! I"M BEING PERSECUTED!"

Nice try.

Roger, over, and out.​

 

By the "real hacker" you mean Putin, though Mueller could never prove that Russian even hacked the DNC in a courtroom, and that is the foundation of this entire Fable of Trump collusion with Russia.

No one has been charged with that, not even Stone. Stone isn't charged with colluding with Russia or even Wiki. In fact Mueller even states in the charging document that Trump not only had no ideas what the Russians had, he had no idea what Wiki had and no clue when they would release them, so some unnamed official asked Stone to find out, which isn't against the law and isn't charged as a legal violation. Clearly even Mueller knows that the foundation of his appointment is a farce, which he tries to hide by this ridiculous media coordinated circus of a pre-dawn paramilitary raid. What a pathetic old man Mueller is. How sad that the FBI has sunk to such corruption and how pathetic is CNN that they would participate in this farce?

And let's go back to the foundation of this fraud perpetrated on the American People that OUR President Colluded with the Russian Government and was now their catspaw.

February 2017, Comey, then now disgraced former FBI’s director, gave this astonishing public testimony at a House Intelligence Committee hearing:

I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019...tment-underscores-no-trump-russia-conspiracy/