Is the Right aware of how illegal immigrants benefit this country?

"Believe"? This has nothing to do with "belief". I presented links, evidence, studies, references.... even from right-wing institutes.

Trump loyalists have presented... nothing. Just hearsay from wingnut media.

 

Every one of the "minor offenses" you speak of are felonies. Please show proof of any felonies Trump committed. No kook blogs please.

 

How does illegal immigration help low skilled labor that are Americans?
It doesn’t.

 

You can sling all of the crap you want - the FACTs are that illegal aliens create a net cost to the communities they live in as all costs skyrocket to support the criminal invaders. Housing for Americans become more costly as the American workers have to compete with illegals for a place to live. The costs to educate, to police, to ensure health care and other services increase along with the influx of illegals. Construction, fast food and hospital jobs are lost to illegals, ensuring that American workers must seek government relief for their families. These issues don't address the increased crime and disease rates that the illegals bring with them.

I do't hate illegals - I don't want them here - taking away resources and opportunities from people who were born here or who came here legally.

On the other hand, I ask you to explain why you seem to have turned your back on the American working family?

 

So you actually believe that Trump has not committed any crimes? Wow! You're an oddity.

Why would I need a blog? His crimes are done in public now. He's too drunk with power to even bother to hide them.

You can start with the Lester Hold interview, and take it from there....

 

As in every discussion on this forum with a Trump loyalist, we present facts, quotes, references, evidence, links.... The Trump loyalist presents.... Rush Limbaugh talking points.

Same thing over and over...

 

I am loyal to President Trump because he is loyal to me - that's something the rest of the rank and file cannot claim from either the Democrats or the establishment Republicans who do nothing but make promises and then ignore the rank and file to curry favor with the special interests, the Cartels and the Billionaires.

You said "we present facts, quotes, references," which is a crock - all that you present is manufactured BS meant only to sideline President Trump and his supporters. I won't argue that the President does not diplomatically treat with idiots - he has the terrible habit of calling a fool, a fool! But his actions have been reflected in the GDP, the increasing numbers of better paying jobs, the stock market and all of the other bellwethers that point toward a booming 2019.
What about the growing peace throughout the world as the US finally starts to back out of the 17 year war that benefits only the deep state and the military industrial complex while ignoring the plight of the soldiers who have served through multiple tours (and ignoring the problems deployment created for their families)- all for a whim based on a lie that the "experienced" intelligence community created as they reported WMDs in Iraq and were later proven to be wrong.

President Trump is the best thing that could have happened to our wonderful country. Here is a man who cares for all of the citizens in our great nation and not just a few special interests and big money donors. Here is a man who fights back against the lying reactionaries who are the fake news; he fights back against the political establishment and the globalists who care less about the USA and care more about money and power.

 

I asked what felonies can you prove he's committed? I'll wait while you gather the proof. It's Lester Holt short for dolt.

 

The way they can dodge paying income tax is claim too many deductions and then never pay. Leaving the folks they stole the SSN number they're using on the hook for their taxes.

 

What crimes?

 

This is what people said of Pablo Escobar. He may be "loyal" to you (whatever that means) But he's a criminal!

I'm not "loyal" to any politician or political party, or even "ideology". I'm loyal to my family, my friends, my country. World history is full of lessons about the consequences of being "loyal" to a political figure or a political party Not a single one of them turned out well.

Conspiracy Theories are the only way in which "loyal" followers can justify their idol. You know you are part of a cult when, in your mind, there is no way in the world in which your "idol" can be proven to have done anything wrong. And a world-wide conspiracy theory covers all the bases.

Uhmm... no. They have not. But that's a whole different topic.

The topic of this thread was how illegal immigrants actually increase GDP, increase the number of better paying jobs, the stock market, and all of the other bellwethers that point toward a booming ... many years to come. It shows how and why they accomplish this. With numbers, references, links... Your talking point does not.

You mean like Stalin and Chamberlain pulling out of Poland led to "World Peace" in the 1930s?

Trump is trying to serve Syria on a silver platter to Putin. We shall see if he succeeds.

This is precisely the difference between being loyal to a political figure vs being loyal to your country.

 

So every once in a while, liberal hypocrisy really becomes obvious. In this case, it's the continue support for illegal immigration. You know, all those welfare consuming social services consuming folks who came for the hand outs? What is super instructive here is that while illegal immigration actually bring with it an explosion of anchor kids who likely mostly end up living lives of poverty in our nation, and continuing to require public assistance to survive... Liberal folks insist that eugenic options like planned parenthood and abortion are the only remedies for social climbing for those in other existing pockets of poverty in our nation. So what gives? Immigrant poverty is "better" because those single moms are likely to produce more future go getters than other poor pockets of citizen entitlement might? That seems to be what liberals are counting on.

 

I'm glad you asked. Wow... It's been over a month since anybody asked that. Hadn't had a chance to show off my new Edition.

 

Oh, wow! I got a twofer. Can't do much better than that....

These...

http://politicalforum.com/index.php...t-this-country.549973/page-14#post-1070193272

 

Ahhh! The conspiracy theory stuff.

 

I have no idea what you are talking about or to whom. But I support legal immigration. I support more of it. Of the type that benefits our country. That type of immigration needs to be legal. Trump and his supporters want to make it illegal. And, as proven on the OP, even illegal immigration is financially beneficial. But if we're talking about what we support, I support what benefits our country. And I believe it would be even more beneficial if we make it legal.

 

What conspiracy? Trump committed most of his crimes all by himself. Do you know anything we don't? Or is it that you don't know what the word "conspiracy" means?

 

Can you name any? It is all a lie to support Trump's fatuous programs!

 

"More of it" !!!

How many more ???

I'm not calling for ending all immigration but we should go back to pre 1965 immigration levels of 100,000 to 200,000 legal immigrants per year not the 1 million legal immigrants that we have been allowing post 1965.

In the early 1900's the most comprehensive study was conducted on immigration and the study recommended for Congressw that America's population be capped at 170 million.
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/mb?a=listis;c=1425704207

If you were around during the 1950's when America hit the 150 million mark the federal government ran commercials on the radio telling Americans stop having so many babies.

Another thing , before 1965 during America's history 1/3 of all immigrants who came to America just didn't have the American pioneer spirit and got back on the boat and returned to their motherland. There were no free stuff in America before the 1960's.

Return Migration
Another factor in intensifying the impact of immigration is a reduced rate of emigration — that is, more of today's newcomers stay for their whole lives, rather than returning to the old country after a few years. Note that in the 1930s, emigration was higher than 100 percent, meaning that during the Great Depression more people left the country than entered.








Before 1965 America's immigration laws were strict and enforced.

In 1965 America started importing poverty and allowing the uneducated, unskilled and the poverty prone to migrate to America.

The Legacy of the 1965 Immigration Act
Five Decades of Mass Immigration
https://cis.org/Report/Legacy-1965-Immigration-Act

 

When even your bubbles collide and burst, it should be obvious even to you that you've stretched the thin veneer of credibility... You simply ignore the observation, but you intend to induce yet more immigration even though you understand the weight of it, the cost of it, and the lives that will have to live in poverty because of it. And while you imagine that you're enlightened because you want it to be "legal", you still embrace the poverty you'd import.

 

Those crap jobs use to be well paying jobs that Americans did before illegal aliens depressed the wages of those jobs and made them undesirable jobs.

 

I don't know. Whatever number that benefits the country. Right now, I have seen nobody argue that we are anywhere near the optimal number.... whatever that is....

Before 1965, in practice, only Asians were considered immigrants. There was no such thing as a Mexican illegal immigrant. Or anybody from any country in Latin America They could just come and go as they pleased.
https://www.history.com/news/the-birth-of-illegal-immigration

That is absolutely inaccurate. Not to mention the fact that the 1960s was one of the most prosperous decades in history. This country has prospered thanks to immigrants. Always! Does that mean that we want "open boarders"? Probably not. But it does mean that we need to approach the subject in a more cerebral, less emotional way. Hysterics belong in right-wingnut media. Not in policy.

 

Can I name any what?

My friends?

Bobby Montez
Sherry Hanus
Lovella Milsap

 

Obvious History.com doesn't know history and don't remember President Eisenhower's OPERATION WETBACK.

Before the 1870's it was the individual sovereign states that regulated immigration not the federal government.

During the 1850's the state of California refused white Australian immigrants to get off the boat in California. If they wanted to migrate to America they had to do it by entering Americas in the Oregon Territory or along the Gulf or Atlantic coast.

I provided a link to the Dillingham Commission above and look at what the commission had to say about Mexican immigrants.
Mexicans accounted fo such a small portion of immigrants back in the day and unlike today, they didn't cause problems in America's southwest.

 

I do know illegal immigrants are contributing to the medical community. I am sure it is just a coincidence but the US has experienced an outbreak of diseases long ago eradicated from our population.