US Southern Command Prepared for War Against Venezuela

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's because you're not paying attention, or do so in a selective manner. Trump, Bolton and Pence have made many belligerent statements, and one suggested that Maduro might end up on the beach at Gitmo.

    As for Russia in Ukraine, your statement conveniently fails to mention the actions of Nuland and the US, including recordings of cellphone conversations. Again, we overthrew the legitimately elected president of Ukraine and inserted our guy. So whatever the Russians may or may not have done there, the stimulus provided by the US spooks was a major factor. Crimea voted to remain in Russia.
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    And you view responding to Maduro's belligerent statements as a threat of war.

    I'm not an anti-American like you so I see the U.S. through rose colored glasses. I believe you accused me of that.
     
  3. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    What belligerent statements has Maduro made?

    I'm not anti-American, but I do embrace Mark Twain's philosophy that patriotism means supporting your government all the time, but its government only when it deserves it.

    Are you able to discern between a country and its government?
     
  4. Horhey

    Horhey Well-Known Member

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    He's talking about Maduro saying that if the US invades it'll be another Vietnam. Targeted countries aren't allowed to defend themselves. That's "aggression."
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Of course. I refer to the U.S. federal government as incompetent and corrupt frequently here. Unlike Mark Twain, I do not support our federal government very often at all. However, I do not express frustration about the U.S. government in order to promote the governments and actions of other countries. That is because I am an American patriot who simply wants less government.
     
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    John Sample Well-Known Member

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    Until they build an invasion fleet of palm fronds and heavily armed guerrillas to conquer Florida, I think it would be stupid to intervene. Let the idiots who voted for that crap figure it out. And let it be a lesson to us.
     
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    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

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    "Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet." - General Mattis (Hallowed be his name.)

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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who's Tom Hartmann, another cliche riddled left-wing polemicist?
    Yes, "white supremacy" IS involved in Venezuela.
    Started with some white dudes named Engels, Hegel, Marx and Lenin.
    They created these ideas about Socialism and Communism.
    Started in white Russia. Big disaster.
    Spread to Venezuela and taken up by this criminal called Chavez. His
    ignorance of how a nation really runs is the stuff of legend. But he knew
    his white-supremacist Socialism. And he foisted that onto the suffering
    brown people of Venezuela.
    Of course, he's opposed by the multi-cultural USA.
    And he's opposed by the brown skinned people of South America.

    You see, it's all about skin color. The racists of the past were right, all
    along.
     
  9. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

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    And don't forget the CDC's Response Plan for Zombie Preparedness. We have a plan for everything. :)

    https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/zombie/index.htm?CDC_AA_refVal=https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/zombies.htm
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One can only hope, and soon...and arrest that socialist bastard.
     
  11. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Who simply wants less government, and happily looks the other way and will not discuss the crimes of your government.
     
  12. Horhey

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    You are clearly fascist. Go join a death squad.
     
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    I do. I view my government as bloated, expensive, incompetent and corrupt. But it is not criminal.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it's an interesting, unfashionable fact, that the more European people you have
    in your government and business the better you are generally speaking. This
    doesn't apply to Asian countries because they have already taken the best of
    European culture and technology and applied it to themselves. But in Africa
    and South America this rule seems to apply.
    Why? Because Europe has been there, done that. Europe has deep rooted
    traditions in the sciences, business and politics that caused it to be prosper
    in the first place.
    Nations that never knew European colonization have actually fared worse
    than those that did.
    Without Europe some countries have resorted to the law of the jungle - it's
    the law they know best (ie Zimbabwe)
     
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    Was the parliament and their members under same conditions elected as Maduro? Yes! So what rights has Maduro and his regime to intervene here? No rights!

    Are you kidding?

    August 2017:

    There is nothing left to indicate: a new dictatorship is emerging in South America. Nicolás Maduro, president of the 32 million-inhabitant country of Venezuela, unleashed the democratic constitution over the weekend. In a manipulated vote, delegates were appointed to determine a new constitution.
    A seizure of power by an autocrat? One knows something from the Latin American history and also from elsewhere in the world. But the case of Nicolás Maduro is particularly interesting because the collapse of Venezuelan democracy is the result of a major economic policy experiment. It has failed terrificly - but originally it should bring more prosperity, justice and democracy to the South American country.

    It began with an exceptional political talent: Hugo Chávez, self-appointed commander of the country, was elected president in 1999 and then pursued a socialist policy. He was particularly interested in expanding social assistance, education and health care for poor people and social housing.

    In order to achieve these economic objectives, Chávez weakened established institutions and created parallel systems, which he called "councils" and "collectives," in which grassroots decisions on economic issues were to be taken throughout the country. He drove some entrepreneurs out of the country, and he put some stock traders in jail. Before Chávez died in 2013, he appointed his political pupil Maduro as his successor.

    And you call this most democratic? Really? Come on ... this can't be you real opinion!


    I didn't say that Guardina is a good media, but the core point of the report is the issue! Tell me what happened to this attonry general please?
     
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    So the declaration of a National Emergency and the plans to build the wall to keep them out are valid?
     
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    First be aware that what the US is giving for its intention to Regime Change in Venezuela is nothing to do with the National Assembly. It is claiming that his election in 2018 was null and void because the opposition, who many people believe a, unlike your man, very popular Opposition leader could well have won.

    I have already told you why they intervened and this was supported by the previous National Assembly President

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-35287291

    You appear to be saying that because this happened you believe Germany has the right with the US to colonise Venezuela. The opposition as I said is made out of many different groups. The one you support is the extreme Right. I would have hoped some people would have learnt better after the destruction of the ME and the US's record in South America. Bye the way what is in it for Germany?

    Here you can hear a Venezuelan totally against Maduro, calls him corrupt and everything but he does not want your people invading and he calls the people you support the Extreme Right. He does not want an American/German Regime Change.



    You believe Germany has the right to interfere with how other countries are run if you want them to be run differently. Everything you are supporting is against International Law and will almost certainly result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. The previous massacres done under Elliot Abrams watchful eye included the cutting off of the heads and inners of women and children. In these gruesome white supremacy led attacks in one place it was 80% of the civilians killed were killed by those the US were supporting, to bring 'democracy' or course. In another 97% of the killings were committed by the US side. As Jimmy Dore said 'The moment I heard that Venezuela had the largest oil supplies in the world, I knew we would be bringing 'Democracy' to them' though many people are now suggesting the even more important reason from the point of view of the US is to attack socialism which is again coming to the surface in the US having been dead since McCarthyism.

    Are you aware of the violence which has already been committed by the people you are supporting?

    https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/13260

    The Grayzone have evidence of the man you are wanting to be President, a man who has never had one vote for such a job, being engaged in these violent protests. It is in these that they began to get a reputation for burning alive black people but that is who you are excusing Regime Change for. No country has the right to interfere with another country and tell them who they have to have in charge, tell them they will not support Socialism there or anywhere else like their own country and make plans to take their oil before they have even been able to start the civil war they intend. TeleSur was saying a last night that the US is to announce a coalition to invade Venezuela today but we have to wait to see if that transpires. I would be surprised.

    Now I have a day to live and some fresh air to get.
     
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    Alexa,

    it is in no way about any colonization of Venezuela!

    Look, I've been accusing the US and the West of hypocrisy more than enough, and often enough, of something like that ... because the "evil" they see only in those in the world who are in opposition to them. For those who call themselves friends, the US and the "evil west" then close their eyes or worse, justify that then abernewuerlich!

    So please do not start the nonsense on the other hand and grab on such bastards as Maduro ... just because he is an opponent of the USA, to grab a halo.
    I found it totally outrageous how this is handled with the other bastard - Assad - and where there are actually people who speak of a perfectly democratically legitimate election during the Civil War.

    To be clear, is Maduro a dictator? Yes!
    Does the US have a right to be militarily active there and invade Panama or Grenada? No!
    Do the US and the rest of the world have the right not even to recognize Maduro as head of state? Yes!
    Do other countries have a right to sanction Venezuela? Yes, but only if it applies only to own citizens and companies to follow it ... and not as in the case of Iran the US tries to force others in the world to follow their sanctions against Iran!
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Exactly! That's why Bush & Co saw to it that we would not be any part of the International Criminal Court. Aside from the conviction of Bush & Co for war crimes in Malaysia in 2014, we have absolutely nothing to hide, our hands are clean.
     
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    I repeat. The U.S. federal government is not criminal.
     
  22. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sure, and Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman, and there were WMD in Iraq and Trump & Company are really interested in the welfare of the Venezuelan people. Sure dude, whatever blows your skirt.
     

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