California Magazine ban struck down by federal court

In his house he did, correct. Once they fled...as in ran away....there was nothing more to resist. The threat ran off, there was no more threat. Not sure why you've not understanding this.

 

Would there be a threat to others ?

Would there be a threat in the future ?

Back during the good old days and I remember them, you could shoot a fleeing felon just for those reasons.

 

Around here you still can.

 

More moronic nonsense.

 

No only cops can do that. You've got to use the use of force statute, not the fleeing felon rule.
Theyve got to be still attacking you, or someone else, directly not as a substantial risk. There is an exception in texas for felonies committed against property at night which does not apply to this case.

 

The threat kept shooting at him and he was within legal right to pursue them to the property line. Which he did. Not sure why you're not understanding this.

 

Right, as explained over and over...they were shooting back at him as they were fleeing because the home owner was chasing after them shooting his gun. If he didn't chase after them shooting there would have been no need for them to shoot. This should be simple stuff to understand yet here we are having to explain it over and over and over.
This lunacy has gone on long enough. Have a nice day.

 

And as explained over and over: They held him at gunpoint at his homestead during the day, they are fair to shoot at while still presenting weapons which they never dropped and never stopped firing. They are also fair to pursue to the property line to ensure they are really leaving, you are under no obligation to remain where you are just as you are under no obligation to resist in the first place. For that lawful purpose, it was necessary for that citizen to have a semi automatic rifle with a 30rd magazine.
This should be simple stuff to understand yet here we are having to explain it over and over and over.

 

You're just engaging in contrarian nonsense now. Unless you can GUARANTEE that NO ONE WILL EVER need more than ten rounds, your arguments are idiotic and worthless. And since you cannot even attempt to prove that having MORE THAN ENOUGH ROUNDS is DELETERIOUS, your arguments essentially are mental masturbation.

 

Cmon man tell us again how all the average person would need to fend off 5 armed assailants is 8 rounds tops.

 

So, few GCAs object to LE having mags with capacities of 17 rds or more, yet LE are civilians and non LE civilians face the same threats, usually without the backup available to members of the LE.
Personally, if the bottomless, flawless, weightless, mags depicted by Hollywood were available, I’d carry one.

 

Simply because the aggressor is fleeing the scene does not absolve them of their responsibility for initiating the confrontation. Nor does it provide them with any legal standing to deploy deadly force against their intended victim, simply because the victim is capable of utilizing deadly force in turn.

 

At the same time claiming law enforcement officers are racist and dishonest, and simply cannot be trusted to act an a manner of integrity.

 

It’s one thing to carry mags, readily accessible as in the military, LE or competition, but huge numbers of those carrying concealed, carry spar mags in all sorts of manner, loose on pockets, IWB pouches, pouches attached to holsters, etc. and I would suggest, the majority don’t practice reloading from how they EDC their spar mags. Then, if they aren’t entirely consistent with how they carry them because of different carry practices, different guns, etc. fumbles can be likely. In a an already high stress situation, stress can redline when the unexpected (like a fumble or mag drop) happens from which recovery for many can be difficult. Add to that, carrying mags untested for reliability or say those damaged in practice that were dropped and damaged and the problem can be magnified. Civilian carry and reload scenarios are a far different reality than the military where your mag changes can be covered by friendlies.

 

I assume you meant your rant for someone else as none of that has anything to do with what I’ve said. Did you just need to “hear” yourself speak just for the sake of it?

 

Incorrect, here in Florida if someone is on a person's property and armed, deadly force is justified to cease that trespassing.

 

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Dave to reply.

 

Here in texas its the same, castle law doctrine, but that doesn't mean you can kill someone outside of the use of force continuum simply for possessing a weapon as they flee. That's called the fleeing felon rule and isn't available to non law enforcement. Even for law enforcement its limited to those they can reasonably prove were likely to harm someone while fleeing, that they presented an imminent ongoing threat to the community at large.
You or I can plug someone in flight only under particular circumstances: They present a direct threat to us, or fellows. Not a conceivable one, but an actual direct threat. Not of the community at large but of ourselves or that actual person right there.
Just because they're on your property running away doesn't mean you can shoot them. They have to take an extra step to present a continuing direct threat: Like shooting at you or pointing a gun at you or other persons.
The law you cite gives you a presumption that someone unlawfully present in your home was fair game, it does not allow you to shoot someone in the back who is simply fleeing. So if you shoot someone outside the use of force continuum, you're going to have a bad time.

 

Except for the fact that it does.

 

An option a one up law abiding person lacks while protecting himself and his family or as things often are, herself and her family.

In the end the choice of the best mag to utilize, is a personal decision, based on the firearm owners situation as he or she understands it to be, not something a clueless (AOC), or worse yet, a agenda driven politician should ever be allowed to do.

 

Deadly force is allowed if while they are fleeing they fire at the property owner, then deadly force is totally justified and nothing in the statute prohibits shooting the criminal in the back to prevent them from possibly firing again.

776.031 Use or threatened use of force in defense of property.—

(2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.

 

I don’t know of any single stack 1911 .45 mags over 10 Rds that I would trust with my life...Too much that can go wrong with follower design, springs, mag well fit, etc. At the 10 rd level, the higher end Chip McCormick is hit or miss...you need to extensively test each on in your gun. I have seen a number returned.
I prefer standard mags, with my druthers being Wilson Combats. Even then, I’d want to be 100% on any for my use beyond the range. I’d rather know I can count on 8, rather than hope for 10 or more and end up with 2 or 3.
While .45 super is an attractive option, I would instead recommend .450 SMC. The super uses the same brass as the acp, but loaded to higher pressures can be iffy in some barrels with chamber that don’t fully support the cartridge whereas the SMC brass is a bit thicker and stronger and uses high quality rifle primers. If you are testing against hogs, don’t consider HPs, but solids, preferably hard cast. Check DoubleTap’s offerings. Also, both Supers and SMCs can throw timing off a bit, so a stronger mag spring (Wolf) might be advised. As well, a steady diet of these will best your frame up so you might want to up the poundage on your recoil spring to mitigate that...may also help with timing but bear in mind finding the right combination of springs that work with both .acp and the Super/SMC combinations might take a few spring tests. I wouldn’t recommend the loads for any frame not +P rated. When I am in black bear country, seeking trout, a frequent thing, I carry SMC hardcasts in my HP 45c, but I don’t use them in my 1911’s.
BTW, MO, nearly any 1911 OTB vs HP 45, HP 45. If 1911, then either SIG or Wilson. Anything else, Kimber, etc. usually requires a bit of tuning to suit my reliability standards.
I am not a fan of AR drum mags for several reasons, but that’s me. Again, I spend of the best quality mags I can get and extensively test them... for any of my SD guns.

 

Not even one bit. The issue is you’re reading what you think I’m saying instead of what I’m actually saying. It’s a common thing I’ve noticed with you.

 

That's what is known as a wise decision and money well spent.

 

Well, being wise just means I exhausted being stupid and found ultimately, being stupid costs more.