Why did Hilary lose the 2016 election?

I repeat my question?

 

Yeah I did, so point out where I'm incorrect?

 

liek I said.... Trump is a narcissist dictator with a fragile ego that puts himself above the country

 

'Liek' I said, how's he any different to every other president?

 

Trump lies 24\7 and supports the "fine people" on the right

 

And? So did plenty of other presidents.

 

She lost because she blew it. Poor campaign speeches with the phoney message that she was common folk. Trump was getting cable news coverage of his speeches where he was ripping her to shreds and she was acting like she was brain dead. She kept telling the same stupid story about her dad’s business where he was laying out fabrics on tables. Also she failed to even visit three states she thought were in the bag and Trump won those states. The other thing is that she didn’t have the charisma. The DNC had pre-selected her and now they are repeating the mistake by backing Biden who is the same type of insider establishment candidate.

 

This was a really good post! But being a contrarian, let me quibble just a bit.

I doubt that. She would have been crushed by a RIGHT-WING candidate like Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, but another moderate like Romney or McCain would have died down the stretch, just like all the other moderates before them.

Agreed, although I don't think there was ever a time when you could have actually called her "popular". She has always been deeply disliked, even as first lady. As for trust, I like to quote this number a lot because I find it so astounding... just 11% of the American public trusted her. 14% believe in Bigfoot.

I don't think any of that mattered. There are online conspiracy theories about just about everyone, including that Obama was one of the lizard people. They don't influence the election one way or the other. And she IS the devil!

I agree, but I think Bernie managed to shift most of the left-wing rage towards himself when he endorsed Hillary at the convention. A lot of the people who voted for him in the primaries felt betrayed. How many of those either didn't vote or voted for Jill Stein? Hard to say.

Yes and no. Your statements are entirely reasonable when applied to the corporate environment, but Margaret Thatcher showed that you can be a tough as nails woman and get elected. And then all of the rest of the European female prime ministers have been left of center, so they managed to get elected without even being tough as nails.

I don't think they had any choice on this one. Comey was clearly carrying water for Hillary the whole time, but the discovery of more Hillary e-mails on another computer demanded at least the pretense of an investigation, which is pretty much what we got, the pretense of one.

Except Bill Clinton told her she was ignoring the rust belt states to her detriment. He knew, and he told her, but she ignored him.

You have two #7s here.

I disagree that it was bad luck, it was a combination of smart politics on Donald Trump's part and bad decisions on Hillary's part.

Except a winning candidate like Bill Clinton or Barack Obama brings people out to vote. And neither Democrats nor Republicans decide elections, independents do. At the bottom of the barrel, either party candidate is going to get the hard core party members, about 35% on either side. The remaining 30% in the middle is where the battle is fought. As for a rigged electoral game, two of the four biggest states are deep blue and one is purple, so if the game is rigged, it's rigged in favor of the Democrats, without even considering their incessant cheating.

Except Obama probably could have gotten elected a third time. George H.W. Bush rode Reagan's popularity into a 3rd term, so all Hillary had to do was duplicate Obama's tone and rhetoric and she could have gotten elected, despite her own negatives. That she failed to do so is no one's fault but her own.

This claim pops up a lot, but there's zero evidence to support it. Not a single person has ever claimed to be unable to vote because of ID requirements. Once in one district in Ohio, people stood in line until nearly midnight to vote because there weren't enough voting booths or they ran out of ballots or something, but in the end, everyone who wanted to vote got to vote. It had nothing to do with ID requirements. Anyone unable to get an ID would also be unable to get to the polling station, and we have measures in place to assist those people, so the voter suppression business is so much horsecrap, designed to allow Democrats to cheat.

While I agree that Hillary is introverted and all her attempts at seeming outgoing and human came across as forced and fake, I disagree that it was a handicap. Since her popularity went down every time she opened her mouth, she should have stuck to being an introvert. The peak of her popularity occurred around the 45th day that she hadn't made a single statement to the public or press. If she had stayed home and not said anything, she might have won the election.

Her platform mirrored herself, who is also uninspiring. It was also the result of her handlers, who are invariably conservative, in the sense that they don't think a candidate should ever take a position on anything that could be considered bold or daring. Too risky. Trump's handlers tried to get him to tone it down, but when he did, his numbers dropped, so he went back to being himself.

Agreed 100%, but then the question becomes, why didn't Donald Trump's elitism and privilege work against him the same way? He was born with platinum plated gold spoons in his mouth. He never did anything that cost less than a billion dollars, while Hillary was a hick from Arkansas when she came up. When she was first lady of Arkansas, a measly $100K bribe was big money to her.

Indeed. What was his name again? Of all the people she could have picked, she picked a nondescript middle aged white guy with zero political cred. Studies have shown the VP pick has zero real effect on the election, but Hillary really missed out on a golden opportunity to appeal to a) blacks, by picking a black running mate; b) Hispanics, ditto; c) the far left, by picking Bernie or someone equally out there; d) the center, by picking a veteran, cop, centrist Democrat like Arlen Specter (he was dead, but you know what I mean), political outsider, or the like. If she could have found a Democratic Hispanic police chief from the upper midwest to be her running mate, she would have hit a home run. If he had worked in a manufacturing job previously and been laid off, she would have belted it out of the park. On the Republican side, Trump really missed a golden opportunity by not picking Sheriff David Clarke to be his running mate.

Hillary was never really on board with Bill's political Third Way views on economics. The only reason she abandoned her socialist/communist views was because banks paid better than nonprofit groups. And while she told the banks that her administration would be business friendly in order to rake in the cash and endorsements, you know how much we can trust Hillary's word on anything.

A bad candidate is someone who loses. Since Trump didn't lose, we have to concede that he was a good candidate after all. I don't like him, I don't like his politics, I don't like his aversion to truth, I don't like his narcissism, I don't like his treatment of his wives & girlfriends, I don't like his arrogance, I don't like his urge to plaster his name on everything, and I don't like his hair. But in the end, he won. And for that, I have to give him credit.

Someone pointed out in an article in 2016 that despite Trump's narcissism, his campaign was about America... make America great again, build the wall, etc. Hillary's campaign was about Hillary... I'm with her, it's her turn, it's time we had a female president, etc. At no point did Hillary ever talk about what she was going to do for the country, it was always about what the country should do for Hillary. And that's a real turn-off.

A few additional points you could have added:

18. The Lying. Hillary's lying was so frequent and automatic that if she said it was sunny out, people would look out the window just to check. She lied about her own name. Who the hell does that?

19. The Corruption. Hillary was bought, by the banks, by the Russians, by the Saudis, by the Qataris, and who knows by who else, but it was public and it was known that she was bought and paid for. Trump couldn't be bought because no one could possibly afford him.

20. The Treason. Hillary sold 1/5th of the American uranium supply to the Russians. That doesn't go down well with anyone who isn't a leftist ostrich.

21. The Secrecy. Relating back to the e-mail scandal, Hillary's reason for having a server in her own basement was that she didn't want her e-mails to be public record, despite the fact that they were required to be by law.

22. The Poor Decision Making. The e-mail server was just one of many, but using that as an example, it was clearly a very poor decision on her part to use a personal, unsecured computer server in her basement to handle classified e-mail chains. She endangered national security because of her need to keep her e-mails out of the public record.

23. The Bad Optics. Hillary has a unique talent for looking bad even when she's not trying to. The "reset button" thing with Putin, the wedding dress paid for by the Clinton Foundation, the 900 FBI files found in her office, the sheer number of suicides that occur whenever she's around, etc. Even when you can't tie her to anything directly, she just looks bad.

24? The Inability to Accept Personal Responsibility. Hard to say if anyone knew this about her before the election, but it's been clear ever since that Hillary cannot accept responsibility for her own failure. Besides Comey, the Russians, white women, angry white men, "deplorables", and so on, Hillary had the nerve, the utter GALL, to blame the media for her loss, as if 99% of all media coverage of her wasn't positive and 99% of all media coverage of Trump wasn't negative. She should have been on her hands and knees thanking the media, win or lose. That the media still defends her to this day is grotesque.

 

Because Trump cheated. They may SAY there was no actual ballot box hacking but WTF, you expect the culprits to admit it?

This is why we Dems have to get out the vote and defeat Trump DECISIVELY in 2020, There's only so much cheating the pubs can get away with even with Russian help..

 

not like Trump, Trump lies big and small, he lies all the time

 

Really? Reagan/Bush over Iran/Contra? Clinton over Whitewater/Monica? Nixon over Watergate? LBJ over Vietnam? JFK over the Bay of Pigs? FDR over his polio? Wilson over his stroke?

 

That's a supposition without proof.

 

those were big lies for sure, Trump lies more then any previous president, but your right, he still has a ways to to lie his way into a war... .but he is trying

 

Firstly, give me proof, secondly who said he was trying to lie his way into what war?

 

we will have to wait and see, he is changing course

"Trump suddenly reverses course on Iran, says there is ‘no indication’ of threats"

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-says-no-indication-of-threat-from-iran-2084505cdbdb/

 

She lost because she campaigned for the popular vote while Trump campaigned for the EC vote. So, bad campaign.

 

I knew she'd lose when she ran with "Love Trumps Hate", this is why Dem's are going to lose 2020 they're making it about Trump again.

Orange man bad.

 

Hillary divides
Feminist rallies.
LGBG?? rallies

Sanders' audiences were diverse.

We need a uniter not a subdivider.
Trump demonstrated superiority on that score!


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Tulsi does not represent the "vote for me because I'm a woman" mob.
Sanders being Jewish was hardly noticed in '16 and I believe it will
be the same for Yang being Asian - who cares.

But, the others want color points, gender points and sexual preference points too.
We need a uniter not a subdivider.


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Ted Cruz
Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.​

 

She lost because she failed to win.

 

Are you serious???

You posted a question, on a thread cap no less to grab attention. I answered it.



You can;t be serious. If you are serious you need to think about the absurdity of you resenting that I answered your posted question. On a tread cap no less!
Good grief.

 

you erased my post completely and replaced it, making it look like I said something I did not, sad... try to be honest

I seriously can't believe you even trying to defend your actions here... lol

 

If you all keep running with Trump is the "boogeyman" and not talk about policies, you will rightfully lose again.

 

Among a long list of reasons

 

Because so many people disliked trump
In truth, she could well have lost to romney or some other non trumpian reasnable gop candidate

 

How will that help? Trump will just lie, and when he is called on it shout "fake news" and lie again.

What policies are you talking about anyway?