Experimental German radar 'tracked two U.S. F-35 stealth jet for 100 MILES' after lying in wait...

Ha ha so now it was made public.

At the last Berlin Airshow the US Airforce send two F-35 to impress the german crowds. Those two aircrafts crossed the atlantic ocean, had to be refuled several times and made the longest F-35 flight ever.

At that time, Germany announced it considers to buy F-35 so the americans want make a big show..

When they arrived they saw that right next to their stand, the german defense corporation Hensoldt put their new advanced passive radar right next them. The americans grounded their 2 machines and made no show flights, which wondered alot of experts.

The engineers from Hensoldt meanwhile used their chance and rent into a pony farm nearby, placed their radar into the barn and waited. They knew the americans have to leave and 3 days after the show their moment came.

When the americans go the take off signal from the Tower of Berlin Schönefeldt, the air traffic controller also informed the Hensoldt guys. They got the transponder codes of the two F-35 so they could double check and activated the pasisve radar.

Guess what? It was able to track the aircrafts for over 100 miles.

The F-35 stealth is obsolete now. The german passive radar cant be detected by sensors, because it does not emitt anything. It just meassures the radio signals in the air and how those are affected by objects moving through it.

Which means the F-35 can only operate in an area without any mobilephone net, radio network.

It also explains now, why Germany dropped the interest on the F-35 shortly after the airshow.

It looks like the US Airforce was lured into a trap. To have fail prove data you need two sets of data.

1. the data the new passive radar generates
2. the transponder signalm so you can prove that the data the radar meassured is identical to the objects you can identify through the transponder signal

That the airtraffic control of Berlin Schönefeld was involved and did not just tell when the two aircrafts take off but also transmitted their transponder signals shows, that the government was most likely involved.


This means our new radar system will be a best seller. The F-35 cant operate where it is installed or has to destroy all radio signals in the entire area. Its said the radio waves from polish radio stations combined with the mobile net from Berlin allowed the passive Radar to detect the F-35

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...5-stealth-jet-100-MILES-hiding-pony-farm.html


https://www.c4isrnet.com/intel-geoi...racked-the-f-35-jet-in-2018-from-a-pony-farm/

 

How quickly can an F35 fly 100 miles????It would be on you in a blink of an eye??

 

This is a experimental radar. So this was a calibration test and it worked.

The F-35 is a pretty slow fighter jet that can only reach Mach 1.6. To cross 100 miles it needs roughly 6 minutes.

Once its busted by the passive radar its position is known and rockets as well as faster fighter jets can take it down. The F-35 only advantage is its stealth. Once thats busted, its dead in the water.

Wonder what Iran would pay for this System. Or Russia.

 

In the early 80's I worked for Lockheed on the original Stealth "Fighter.". The transponder would not be in operation in a normal Stealth flight. The radio waves may have track them, but it would also track every bird and flying aircraft in the vicinity..

100 mile detection would not give much notice. It would require a network similar to cell phone networks.to protect major targets.

 

Since it's stealth relies on not creating sonic booms, it would be more like 9 or 10 minutes.

 

You got it wrong. The radar got the signature signal. The transponder was a 2nd data package which can be used to show that this radar can detect the aircraft. The transponder worked as evidence.

The americans were scared enough about it zo cancel their flight show. And the data was impressive enough for our leadership to classify the F-35 as junk and not buy it.

 

Seems that it might be time to remove our military from Germany.

 

Why? We have great engineers. Your Air Force bragged how good the F-35 stealth ability is. Its just natural that we want try to crack it

 

It's sounds like the manufacturer hid these radars on a pony farm near an air show. What is to say that the F-35's where not carrying external armaments or auxiliary tanks which removes their stealth ability? Why would they be in stealth mode flying into an air show?

 

Because it is bankrupting us to play world police.

we should be available to supplement if any of our allies are attacked but we do not need the presence that we have across the globe.

 

The way this system works makes stealth obsolete. F-35 stealth depends no not reflection radar waves emitted at them. Thats not how our passive radar works. It meassueres the entire radio waves and how it gets disturbed by an object moving through it.

 

So in essence, passive radar has made all stealth technology obsolete then?

 

It has the potential to do so.

Imagine a pond and a stealth object moving through it. Traditional radar creates a wave into the pond and meassures the reflected waves. A stealth vehicle does not reflect the emitted wave.

Passive radar developed by germany does not emitt waves. It meassures entire surface of the pond. Disturbances on the surface.

 

So, where am I wrong?
"The transponder would not be in operation in a normal Stealth flight." Is that an incorrect statement?

"The radio waves may have tracked them, but it would also track every bird and flying aircraft in the vicinity." Incorrect?

You got it wrong. You said, "And the data was impressive enough for our leadership to classify the F-35 as junk and not buy it."

.Technology may make the "junk" obsolete, but like the Model T, the Stealth created a new ball game.

 

You dont understand me.

This was never done before. The radar tracked the F35. A second system tracked the transponder. That way they can prove that the radar was able to crack the F35.

You get it now?

 

Was the F-35 stealth configure?, if the transponder was on that would be no.

 

So what?

 

Another one who doesnt get what happened here. The radar does not detect the transponder. The radar detected the F35. A 2nd system detected the transponder to prove that the signal that the radar detected was the F35. Thats important to sell the system.

Stealth doesnt work at passive radar. The F35 is made of matter. It disturbs the radio waves while travel through it.

As the expert said, when this system operates, the f35 can only function when all mobile net and radio networks get disabbled

 

I got what you said....What I am saying to you if the transponder was on, which you admit it was, then it was probably not configured for stealth, considering it was going transatlantic it was not.

 

Haha, I figured this out 15 years. You guys are really slow!!! We are waaaaaaaaay beyond this now.

Someday you might figure out what we did in Belgium in 1989 and 1990. LOL!!!

 

So a company, who has a vested interest in selling its radar system, set up this horrible test?
The set it up knowing exactly where the two fighters would be.
They got a heads up from the controller as to exactly when they were taking off.
They got transponder codes so they could know exactly where to look for them.
We have no idea if the pilots were even trying to be stealthy.

And the German military used that as the basis for determining a multi billion dollar future of their military decision?

Maybe the F-35 isn't the jet for Germany. That is fine. Just don't give us silly reasons for not buying it. This one is weaker than the pricey helmet excuse.

 

Eh, passive RADAR works. But it took them forever to think of it. Jeeeeeeez, this has been child's play for a decade. It is already out of date.

 

How do you beat passive RADAR?

The energy goes up and away from receiving stations. That was the next generation. We are likely two or three generations ahead of this now.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_noise_control

"Sound is a pressure wave, which consists of alternating periods of compression and rarefaction. A noise-cancellation speaker emits a sound wave with the same amplitude but with inverted phase (also known as antiphase) to the original sound. The waves combine to form a new wave, in a process called interference, and effectively cancel each other out – an effect which is called destructive interference.

"Modern active noise control is generally achieved through the use of analog circuits or digital signal processing. Adaptive algorithms are designed to analyze the waveform of the background aural or nonaural noise, then based on the specific algorithm generate a signal that will either phase shift or invert the polarity of the original signal. This inverted signal (in antiphase) is then amplified and a transducer creates a sound wave directly proportional to the amplitude of the original waveform, creating destructive interference. This effectively reduces the volume of the perceivable noise."