Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

You still missed it. Faith is the substance, not hope. Read the Scripture again. Hebrews 11:1.

 

Nice that you want to live eternally with the likes of Hitler and Stalin.

You sound like a piece of human garbage.

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Which doctored version?

If you cannot speak and cannot do decent apologetics and will just thump away, then thump away.

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Wow. Having a bad day, huh. So you believe Hitler and Stalin are with Jesus? If they are, then they're not the same people that they were on earth.

 

There is a way that seems right to man, but the end thereof is death.

if you are familiar with the old testament you'll notice that the forgiveness of sin requires a sacrifice of blood and flesh. What blood and flesh could possibly take away the sin of the whole world?

Luke 22 19-20
"And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

This is what Jesus taught also Jesus was not a Jewish Rabbi, He was the son of a carpenter, who spent his childhood in Egypt. He taught but was not trained as a Rabbi.

 

Read the version you like, they all say the same thing.

 

You put Jesus in with the genocidal Yahweh so that is on you literalist retards.

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lol and out comes the name calling..

 

defeated! and all it took was the bible.

 

You ignored the central question.

Why? Are you a father who does not like his answers?

Was choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross to himself?

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Thanks for the chat.

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I am not a father at all..

Jesus and the Father are one, Jesus said this many times. Jesus and God the father and the Holy Spirit we in agreement on the plan. The plan which was in place before God even created the Earth and everything in it. God knew we were going to screw everything up but He created us anyway and gave us every opportunity not to screw things up. God choose Himself as the sacrifice.

If you are a Rush fan you might recognize these lyrics.

The king will kneel and let his kingdom rise.

 

You ignored the question twice and I will leave this here.

Cowards can never be moral.

Thanks for the chat.

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DL

 

all your questions were answered, you just don't like the answer..

Here is the central question.

Why would a Holy God who is complete within Himself, needing nothing for perfect happiness create a people who He knew would go against Him and cause Him all kinds of heartache.
Then why would He with all their intentional failings continue to pursue relationship with said people for thousands of years. Why would He put up with people did things they knew to be offensive to Him, many of them doing it for no other reason than because it's offensive to Him. Why would he allow those people to harm and hurt each other. Why would he endure a people who have no affection for Him at all, a people that think of themselves before everyone else almost all of the time. Why would God die willingly for people who look Him straight in the face and give Him the bird? Why would God continue to sustain a people that were full of malice towards Him and His plans?

The central question is not ours to ask of God, but it is a question we can ask ourselves.

Why does God put up with me?

Because He loves.

 

Because He loves to use genocide and infanticide.

Finish your sentences and ignore that you follow a satanic god.

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DL

 

what you don't understand is that we all deserve to die! none of us deserves ANYTHING from God, everything you and I have we are allowed to have by God. Except for the work of Christ God would be fully justified in getting rid of us all. We have broken the rules that give us a right to anything.
Justice demands punishment for wrongdoing and every one of us has done wrong we deserve punishment, every man, woman child and infant. without punishment there is no justice without distributing justice God cannot be just. God for his own reasons issues justice at different times for different people, we don't know his reasons.

So lets look at the people God called the Israelites to kill..

here is a reference made about them In Genesis.. “Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for four hundred years. . . . And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites [one of the Canaanite clans] is not yet complete” (Gen. 15. 13, 16).

God had to send the Israelites to Egypt to be mistreated there to wait for the Canaanites do dive as deeply into immorality as he could possibly let them. He gave the Canaanites time to choose their fate. they knew how to behave properly but they chose not to! then when God had had enough he sent in the Hebrews to distribute his justice and to clean out the land so that the Hebrews wouldn't be tempted to follow after the Cannanite gods. Oh wait what happend? The Hebrews failed to kill off all the Canaanites and what happened??? They followed after the Canaanite gods..
Genocide of the Canaanites? fully justified, the Canaanites victims of Hebrew brutality? NOPE.. you don't have to like it but that's the reality..
ohh and get your own arguments I love listening to Dawkins, i love how his mind works and my heart really went out to him but he was wrong.

 

There's a way into the life boat. If you choose not to use it, that's not God's fault.

 

What you are interpreting as "good justice" in the Old Testament was only for misdeeds on Earth and by Earthly authority.

The question of heaven or hell involves the state of a persons soul and given it is a matter of eternal fate then it is of far greater reward and punishment.

 

He's never done that. Where did you get that from?

 

They are talking about the Israelites killing off the Canaanites.

 

The iniquities of the Amalekites.. Joshua didn't finish the job and we are still suffering the effects of that..
They had 400 years (the Amalekites) but never changed.. worse of their offenses.. sacrificing babies.. the "Planned Parenthood" of their day.

 

Go away you pathetic self-loathing piece of human garbage.

Go tell your garbage to your garbage children.

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Why did your prick of a god decide to sink the ship he himself built?

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So pointless torture and death in hell is somehow good to you.

Are you that morally corrupt?

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DL

 

Have you not read your bible?

Do you know what genocide is?

0f not, ask Noah.

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