Trump ordered US drone strike that killed Iran general Qassem Suleimani

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  1. AFM

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    I'm relating the truth about the Iraqi wars because you apparently know nothing about them. BTW what makes you think that the US will invade Iran ??
     
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    Who is he ??
     
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    Iran, the world leader in state sponsored global terrorism, is not a bully ?? That's hilarious.

    The only way to solve the tragic comedy aka Iran is through the elimination of the Iranian theocracy. That will be done by trade sanctions, internal revolution, and negotiation.
     
  4. Iranian Monitor

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    Honestly, and trust me on this: YOU ARE BADLY MISINFORMED AND DELUSIONAL. It amazes me how, despite tens of millions of Iranians being in the streets all over Iran demanding Iran take action against the US, after some lunatic reformist parliamentarian found his office bulldozed and almost got himself killed for suggesting talking instead of going to war with the US, after Iran's leadership and government have stated (without the slightest if or maybe) that they will attack the US militarily, you could believe in the things you write! I don't know what you are being told and what is your media saying to you, but you hear this from me: Iran is as united as you will find any nation in the determination to exact a harsh retribution for the assassination of General Soleimani. You can believe you will defeat Iran; you can pretend that Iran doesn't have the tools to hit you hard enough; but you have to be delusional to think Iran will not be hitting you hard.
     
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    I thought they ended up in Syria. :bucktooth:
     
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    Tens of millions ?? Demonstrating of their own free will ?? How many tens of millions ?? The population of Iran is ~ 80 million.

    Iran is a balloon about to implode. The population is controlled out of fear. It is only a matter of time before economic pressure results in reform.
     
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    Saw an interesting video. Quite a few of Saddam’s AF jets were found buried in the desert. He miscalculated that like earlier the attack would not be completed.
     
  8. Iranian Monitor

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    See, you can sometimes say things that aren't completely fake and delusional. While over 120 Iraqi aircraft were flown to Iran and the bulk of them are incorporated into Iran's air force, a squadron of Su 25 aircraft (originally part of Saddam's inventory) were indeed sent to Syria and given to the Syrian air force in the fight against ISIS and company.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28125687
     
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    They suspect his WMD gas ended up there.
     
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    I'm sure they will hit us just as hard as they can. We've already stated publicly that we intend to respond disproportionately.
     
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    Trade sanctions did not work, that has been proven. Revolution will not happen in Iran, the Iranian people have been absolutely galvanized together against the U.S. and Trump doesn't have a clue about diplomacy.
     
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    2014 ???
     
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    They are working as we speak and were working even better until Obama removed them and sent pallets of money to finance Iran’s global terrorism program directed by Soleimani.
     
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    Another interesting source is the book “Sadam’s Secrets - How an Iraqi General Defied and Survived Sadam Hussein” - Georges Sada - 2006.
     
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    Sada’s book covers this.
     
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    No, they are not 'working as we speak', that couldn't be further from the truth. I know you're not informed at all when you and others on the Trump team refer to "pallets of money" to finance Iran's global terrorism program directed by Soleimani". That's just denial of facts and using propaganda for your argument and it's simply not true.
     
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    Economic sanctions on Iran are not working ??? Pallets of money were not delivered to Iran ??? Billions of dollars were not transferred to Iran ???
     
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    Sigh..... I guess I will be forced to explain this to a Trumper one more time and I thought I had explained it a hundred times already. But for your sake, I'll explain it all just one more time and hopefully you sort it out and understand it.

    First of all, the 1.7 billion dollars transferred to Iran was Iran's money! Secondly, the cash transference of Iran's money was absolutely necessary because of the effectiveness of the Obama U.S. and international sanctions. The sanctions isolated Iran from the international finance system. The $1.7 billion was the settlement of a decades-old arbitration claim between the U.S. and Iran. An initial $400 million of euros, Swiss francs and other foreign currency was delivered on pallets Jan. 17, the same day Tehran agreed to release four American prisoners. It was not transferred in U.S. currency. That's why republicans love to claim it was 'untraceable' cash, but it had to be in foreign currency! Are you following this so far?

    Like many things, this lie all started with a tweet. In Feb. 2018, Trump tweeted about the $1.7 billion in cash the Obama administration sent to Iran and wondered why there had not been an investigation. "Never gotten over the fact that Obama was able to send $1.7 Billion Dollars in CASH to Iran and nobody in Congress, the FBI or Justice called for an investigation!". Has no one who works for Trump ever explained it was a legal settlement of money the United States owed Iran from before the 1979 revolution?

    And now you know the TRUTH!
     
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    Regardless of WMD, I believed the only way to end the endless war and sanctions was to finish it, and that is considering that when Gorby said, “that is far enough,” in the first Gulf War, a war I did not support for the very reason we were not finishing it. I had some sympathy for those Shiites at the time too.

    August, 1996: "More than 600,000 Iraqi children have died due to lack of food and medicine and as a result of the unjustifiable aggression (sanction) imposed on Iraq and its nation. The children of Iraq are our children. You, the USA, together with the Saudi regime are responsible for the shedding of the blood of these innocent children. Due to all of that, what ever treaty you have with our country is now null and void.

    The treaty of Hudaybiyyah was cancelled by the messenger of Allah (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) once Quraysh had assisted Bani Bakr against Khusa'ah, the allies of the prophet (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him). The prophet (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) fought Quraysh and concurred Makka. He (Allah's Blessings and Salutations may be on him) considered the treaty with Bani Qainuqa' void because one of their Jews publicly hurt one Muslim woman, one single woman, at the market." (Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places.)

    March 1997: "Though Bin Ladin had promised Taliban leaders that he would be circumspect, he broke this promise almost immediately, giving an inflammatory interview to CNN in March 1997. The Taliban leader Mullah Omar promptly 'invited' Bin Ladin to move to Kandahar, ostensibly in the interests of Bin Ladin's own security but more likely to situate him where he might be easier to control.73

    There is also evidence that around this time Bin Ladin sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi regime, offering some cooperation. None are reported to have received a significant response. According to one report, Saddam Hussein's efforts at this time to rebuild relations with the Saudis and other Middle Eastern regimes led him to stay clear of Bin Ladin.74" (The 9/11 commission report, page 65-66)

    I believe this is the “significant response,” mentioned above, the authorization for 9/11:

    July 1997, South Movement, "the path of Jihad and proper action": "Those who desire to face up to the Zionists conspiracies, intransigence, and aggressiveness must proceed towards the advance centers of capabilities in the greater Arab homeland and to the centers of the knowledge, honesty and sincerity with whole heartiness if the aim was to implement a serious plan to save others from their dilemma or to rely on those capable centers; well-known for their positions regarding the enemy, to gain precise concessions from it with justified maneuvers even if such centers including Baghdad not in agreement with those concerned, over the objectives and aims of the required maneuvers." (On the 29th anniversary of Iraq's national day (the 17th of July 1968 revolution). President Saddam Hussein made an important comprehensive and nation wide address) http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/countries/Iraq/speech.htm

    Following that came the second fatwa:

    One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq!

    Then 9/11 and Saddam’s defense attorney in collusion with the only place on the entire internet where the authorization for Jihad of 9/11 from Iraq existed:

    September 2001: "Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General...David Muller, South Movement, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia" http://www.workers.org/ww/2001/call1004.php

    I know our “intelligence” is probably stupid, but there is no other way to interpret this in light of other things said:

    “As we said before to those who launched aggressions on us, including the US, in and before Um-Almarik (the mother of the battles), the world, like Iraq and its Arab nation, needs steadfastness to face the aggression, make it miss its targets. It must not allow the US to be victorious. The victory of the US and its allies over Iraq would conceal the opposing attitude and analysis, and would not allow it to emerge again for a long time.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

    He simply had to be removed.

    *****

    If it was not for all the years of “Death to America,” if they were simply going to Iraq to help, I would not have had a problem. They, being Shiites, also were left at the mercy of Saddam in the first Gulf War, as I said, but their attitude toward us negates any sympathy for them now if they can’t learn to stop terrorizing.
     
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    It was not Iran’s money. They had forfeited it due to their bad behavior. Obama sent the money including a pallet of cash to the world’s leader in state sponsored terrorism.

    Thanks Obama.
     
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    But they are incapable. Weaponry can get traced back to the United States. But often Russian and chinese weaponry are used and there is no accountability because we are not messing with them. And also the US has lost credibility in the region Syria, Afghanistan we have cut and run and turned our interest against them. Foreign policy shouldn’t be war it should be gaining allies. Whether once a terrorist state or our enemy. It opens business and makes terrorism everyone’s problem. Gaining allies and isolating those who wish to harm. But ever increasing we are the ones becoming isolated
     
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    It absolutely was Iran's money. Iran never "forfeited" 1.7 billion dollars, that's absolutely not true at all. After the Iranian Revolution in 1979, the United States ended its economic and diplomatic ties with Iran, banned Iranian oil imports and froze approximately 11 billion 1980-US dollars of its assets. Many of the assets were then unfrozen in 1981 after the Algiers Accords were signed and the hostage crisis ended. At the time of the 1979 revolution, the Pentagon re-sold some $400 million in Iranian military equipment already paid for by the deposed government, and the money was "placed in an escrow account". I'm sure you're familiar with what it means for money to be put in escrow, right?

    I hope you're the kind of person that can admit when you're wrong.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_frozen_assets
     
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    Iran forfeited that money.
     
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    I remember flying into Amman years ago and parked off to one side of the airport was a truck load of sad looking Iraqi Migs -21s I think they were..? Anyway there a quite a lot of these things just abandoned there.
     
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    I'm not sure you are pro Iran anymore.
    Iran fighting with US is like someone banging his head in a 3 meter thick wall.
    You dont want US to come after you.
    US can carelessly remove any threat Iran can offer, just like they took out that Iranian general. One drone, two missiles and continue around their business like nothing happened
     

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