Study Confirms Climate Models are Getting Future Warming Projections Right

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Duh, because they are not the same thing.
     
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    Because you believe what China says their doing to help? Are you that naive? They’re also waaaaay behind us, as is India.
     
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  3. Bluesguy

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    Then how do you know we are too warm or shouldn't be warmer? When has human and other life suffered these significant consequences when it was warmer or when it was cooler?
     
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    You said, "Its only because he didn't actually read his own link. They narrow it down to only climate scientists who have actively published so the lie that its all scientists or even all climate scientists has been exposed once again."

    97% of Actively Publishing Climatologists Agree that the Earth is Warming and that Humans are a Significant cause. Which part of that sentence is invalid to you?
     
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    Tell me if we suddenly developed the ability to control the temperature should we

    A. Make it cooler
    B. Leave it the same
    C. Make it warmer
     
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    If they assign it a value, then they have taken it into account....
     
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    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    Yes, "they" I never said your name anywhere in that quote. Thanks for confirming.

    None. Too bad your original sentence was "Take it up with NASA and the multiple other studies that used different methodologies to reach the 97% consensus claim."

    Nowhere did you ever add the specific requirement "Actively Publishing Climatologists"

    Busted once again.
     
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  8. MrTLegal

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    *******n, this is just a really ****ing dumb talking point and I am not going to entertain it any further.

    Humans are a significant, if not a majority, causal factor in the current warming trend and that warming trend will almost certainly continue and become more significant for the foreseeable future. The only way that we have a chance of avoiding trillions in economic damage caused by some of the worst potential warming scenarios is to acknowledge the risk and to take significant steps to alter our future course.
     
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    So you do not think the Earth is warming?
     
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    guavaball Well-Known Member

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    So you want to shift away from your statement. Smart move.

    Do I believe the earth is warming? Certainly possible. What I don't believe because the science doesn't support it is that man has contributed enough to alter weather temperatures.
     
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    You directly referenced me when you said "he didn't actually read his own link" and yet you did not accuse me of lying because you did not say my name?

    And yet you get to claim that you busted my 97% consensus claim without even quoting me?

    What sort of self-indulgent bullshit are you on?
     
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    I am done trying to chase you down a rabbit hole of proving anything other than what I already said.

    Has the average temperature of the Planet increased in the last half century?
     
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    Asking for a flood of garbage.

    I looked at the sun in 80's found nothing, I did once find the week I got off due to sun activity in a detailed chart. I looked at the weather station at the Peachtree airport in Georgia, near the south facing white painted wall with then new window air-conditioners, science can deal with that. Dealing with people grasping at straws to save their Suburban, Big Foot truck, and whatever lifestyle; pretty much a debate that is impossible.

    I'm not impressed by numbers of people that believe things, if I was the vast numbers of "scientists" in my own party would sway me.

    When a guy claims data that was collected with Spock's stone knives and bear skins is comparable to what we have today, I don't care if he is in the majority in a Topic or State or Country or World; I have to use reason.
    If that is really true, they become clean energy producers better than us, they pollute less than us and manufacture more like solar panels and stuff...; OMG, we are fracking doomed. And I don't need the Chinese roommate I had in the 70's telling me about the "long view," to see it.
     
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    Of course. But it has also changed when we never existed due to many reasons. We certainly aren’t helping. But there’s a solution for that....mass extinction of certain areas of the world that aren’t habitable for humans. Maybe some have to just...”go”. Maybe part of the problem is thinking we’re supposed to save them all? Maybe the solution is less people. Less waste. Less resources being used. Not the solution people want to hear but the most pragmatic.
     
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    Alright, getting somewhere. OK, so yes, you are correct that the Earth has warmed in the past for reasons wholly unrelated to humans.

    Do you think scientists are capable of understanding the reasons for those previous instances of warming? And to then analyze whether those explanations can be applied to the current warming trend?
     
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    Which is why I can quote you saying it.

    Say it has. What does that have to do with the reality you cannot prove man changed it Legal?
     
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    What is a "majority casual"? What is your proof of this "significance and majority"? How do you know the best temperature for the planet is not another degree warmer? Again should we remain at this temp, make it cooler or warmer?

    Historically when have humans and other species done better when it was warmer or when it was cooler?
     
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    And the non answer to this is where it falls apart.

    Its the primary reason the far left does not call it "man made" climate change but "climate change" because they know they can't prove it.
     
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    The guy’s argument is essentially: « Cancer can exist without cigarettes, therefore cigarettes can’t cause cancer. » And you think you can get somewhere with him?

    These people think they know more than scientists specialized in the subject. They won’t listen to someone on the internet if they don’t listen to experts who know more than them by far. It’s a waste of time.
     
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    LOL Yeah that's nowhere near reality to what he said.

    If you could prove climate change is majority caused by humans this would be over. But you can't You rely on emotion and faith to fill in the gaps science should be filling in.
     
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    So you’re saying the earth has warmed and cooled drastically for billions of years for a variety of reasons but this time and this time only, for the past 50ish years it is ONLY our fault?

    And nice to know you view humans as a cancer. And you’re right people can get cancer while never smoking and they can smoke and never get cancer. And they can smoke and get cancer that’s unrelated to smoking.

    Me thinks you’re the one who is confused or blinded by ideology. I prefer not shutting down all options.
     
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    Do you think scientists are capable of understanding the reasons for those previous instances of warming? And to then analyze whether those explanations can be applied to the current warming trend?
     
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    nah, I think they're cute and should stay up, besides, trump would probably just reassign the funds to the wall :)

    No doubt a climate alarmist designed that sign lol
     
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    Has the average temperature of the Planet increased in the last half century?
     
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    In the order of your questions.

    1) More than 50% of the warming is attributed directly to humans.
    2) The IPCC Report
    3) There is no such thing as a the best temperature for the planet. The planet does not give a **** about the temperature.
    4) Not going to entertain this bit of idiotic logic with a response.
    5) The vast majority of the currently existing plants and animals evolved and learned to thrive in the currently climate.
     

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