BREAKING: Bolton to Claim Trump Held Up Ukraine Military Aid Over Biden Investigations

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  1. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    You forget the drug deal comment?
     
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    Because it's not necessary.

    He's just going to give his presumption and personal opinion on the matter.

    Why do you want to keep the Senators who are Democrat Presidential candidates held up in the Senate trial and not on the campaign trail campaigning where they want to be????

    Maybe because you are a Biden supporter?
     
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    It directly contradicts one of the strongest (remaining) Impeachment defenses and it makes the argument that the Senate needs to hear from more witnesses even stronger.
     
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    His opinion of what trump told him? Which happens to be consistent with...everything??
     
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    And here I thought you Trump defenders were all about how this impeachment trial was going to sink the Bidens, so why would I want this trial to last longer?

    Also, not necessary? Really? How do you know that the only thing he is going to offer is presumption and personal opinion? More importantly, why is the presumption and personal opinion of Trump's National Security Advisor not relevant to this case?
     
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    No change.

    We ask juries to evaluate the credibility of witnesses every single day. And that occurs when there are people testifying under oath on both sides of the "he said/she said." And I have zero reason to believe that Trump will ever testify under oath.

    If you want to believe that John Bolton is lying after he testifies under oath, then you are free to do so. But to use that potential outcome as a justification for not allowing him to testify is nonsense.
     
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    What about it?
     
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    Just the claims that Trump says he's not... that's been good enough in the past and until Bolton appears, it's good enough now..

    And who says Bolton told anybody? Why would he and who would he tell? He was at the top of the food chain... he doesn't need to tell the Morrison's and Vindman's about what the President told him...

    My guess is that if he did talk to anybody about this, it's going to be to other requested inner circle witnesses (Mick and Mike)

    You might want to get that leak checked out, BTW...
     
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    Obviously, anything uncorroborated by video or audio is hearsay.
     
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    He’s been open about what he thought about trumps scheme
     
  11. The Mello Guy

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    And even if it is, then it’s espionage or locker room talk lol
     
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    I’d have to ask you to elaborate more. If Trump did make that statement to Bolton, without any other information putting the statement into context, it would at minimum indicate it was his personal opinion on the matter. Would that be even wrong much less illegal much less impeachable? The aid was released.
     
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    There's no proof that Trump told him any such thing.

    Unless Bolton has video/audio of Trump telling him that, then it's just he-said/she-said.

    Why do you all the sudden believe a lying warmonger that got us into two endless wars?????
    Which happens to be more hearsay, presumptions and personal opinions.
     
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    Why not do it under oath? That way he has to be truthful.
     
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    Obama isn't president right now and isn't under impeachment hearings so let the republicans in the senate and see how far they get using that excuse.
     
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    Yah why would anyone get the idea that trump wanted Biden investigated?!? I need trump on tape saying...oh never-mind!
    And trump would never hire a liar or a war monger. Stop the slander!
     
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    It certainly is.... with Bolton being the 'he' in this case...

    I guess the Senate GOP will just have to evaluate Bolton's statement under oath and general credibility vs Trump's statement on Twitter and general credibility...

    Tee Hee...
     
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    Yup.

    "Locker room talk"

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    Anything Bolton says about what Trump "wanted" to do is irrelevant.
     
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    The Biden video of him admitting holding up aid until Ukraine fired a specific prosecutor who happened to be investigating the company that Biden's son works for should be ample evidence to arrest Biden. But Democrats get away with murder. Just ask Ted Kennedy. Oh wait, too late.
    Because it would have been leaked by now. The fact that this is the only thing leaked by the NYT says that there is nothing except Bolton's personal opinion and presumption.
    Because it's exactly that, just personal opinions and presumptions.
     
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    The aid was released after he got caught trying to link the military aid to the investigation against the Bidens...the very thing that Trump apparently told Bolton that he wanted to do.
     
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    Bolton is willing to testify under oath. Is Trump? If not, why are you willing to accept the "Trump said" side of the claim over that of Bolton?
     
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    Irrelevant? Seriously? The desires of the President are irrelevant here?
     
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    This impeachment show and its timing is all about the Iowa DP primary and rigging the nomination process again. Some of the still thinking Democrats are finally catching on.

    ""I can't think of more devastating news if you're running one of these campaigns for president than the news that your candidate is going to be bound to a desk in Washington, day after day, in the run-up to the Iowa caucuses," said David Axelrod, who helped mastermind Barack Obama's 2008 campaign, which began with an upset Iowa victory."
    WGBH NPR, 'A Disaster': Impeachment Could Sideline Senators In 2020 Presidential Campaign,By Scott Detrow, November 6, 2019.
    https://www.wgbh.org/news/national-...deline-senators-in-2020-presidential-campaign
     
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    But no one is being convicted of murder due to someone’s opinion. Again. Do you really want to go down this road? Anytime a party controls enough votes the precedent will be set to easily
    Impeach for anything since crimes and misdemeanors are now off the table. If Democrats actually had proof of anything truly serious the articles would have listed them all, with all the obvious evidence. NONE of that hs been done. Democrats want to impeach over feelings. That’s dangerous as ****!
     
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