Scientists conclude people cannot get coronavirus twice

This seems a well referenced Article and at this late date we could expect to learn that this virus does not reinfect.

A new strategy for opposing the virus spread presents itself here. Testing directed isolation.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/worl...h2m3M7DsR0MEhsX8IdfEO66RZeLOGNqYDx0pG4d5-zlu4


The antibody Test is the quick one and it detects if test subject has had the virus.


https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices...vices/emergency-use-authorizations#covid19ivd[/B]

 

This whole thing is a logistics failure. It isn't political, Obama would've ran into the same problem. These companies have not been able to test-proof their device, and make sure these false positives and negatives were at a low level as possible.

But also it shows that WHO is only as good as the information it receives, and that information can be flawed at times(as seen here), so maybe we should give WHO a bit of a break.

 

The headline for the MSN article is misleading. The scientists in South Korea have determined that the positive tests that appeared in patients that were already deemed as "recovered" were just the test being fooled by segments of dead virus - not the virus re-activating.

That is good news, but it still doesn't mean that they determined that "people can't get the virus twice."

 

Agreed.(Or well, it's the truth rather than agreeing with anything.). The good news about a logistics issue is that it can be fixed. The products can be sent back for more R/D development and they'll eventually come out with a better product for being able to better identify virus strains and not be fooled by dead ones.

 

Because the incompetent Trump Admin is reinventing the wheel every other day and it keeps coming out square

 

What has Trump got to do with S Korea or this thread?

 

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I guess you missed the fact that SD was able to aggressively test right from the beginning and we still don’t have adequate testing.
That’s on Trump

 

SD? What's S Dakota have to do with S Korea?

 

True the tests are not perfect, but known to be closer to it now, than before. What is critical is that the liklihood of reinfection is lower than was believed leaving clear a logical path to a strategy other than lockdown.

 

There is no reason to believe that any past president would have had similar failures - starting with the constant happy talk, nonsense medicine, failure to use the Defense Production Act to create required products, creating problems (rather than helping) the delivery of these products as in delivery interdictions by FEMA that result in delivers just not showing up, hiding of science by blocking it from briefings and firing those who report science that upsets Trump.

Yes, WHO is not perfect and is learning, too. One of their successes has been in producing a working test in surprisingly short order.

The world needs that institution to continue. It is a world wide problem. FEMA didn't work well at first, either, but we keep it going and it does improve.

Pandemic response has been mades a political campaign issue rather than figuring out and following best practices as informed by business and science.

Trump even has a plan created by representatives of business and science. But, Trump leads AGAINST the fundamental principles and specifics of his plan.

 

The Defense Production Act doesn't create items out of thin air: It's akin to an executive order on businesses, rather than an enforced order of the executive branch in particular. Not only that, but it's one thing to ask a car developer to develop tanks, and another thing entirely to ask car developers to develop, state of the art masks or something. Totally, COMPLETELY different fields here.

No matter how much Whitmer, or Trump wants to use the word "war", no we are not in a war time situation and these war tools aren't helping. In any event, all Trump can do is issue the order. He has NOTHING to do with the faultiness of a product. Not only him, ANY other President would have faced these logistic challenges.

You can bet your ass Obama is secretly smiling somewhere saying "Thank god I left when I did.". The logistics problem is compounded by our stay-at-home orders. Do you think our productivity in the various fields will increase, or decrease with lowering numbers? Also keep in mind, these manufacturing companies, etc weren't deemed "essential" like grocery shoppers and other workers.

What dear "Orangemanbad" fans don't get, is that orangemanbad isn't in control of this one. Through things out of his control and through actions taken to stem the virus, we have a major logistics problem not only in the US, but around the world.(China's hording of the supplies can be noted here as well.)

Logistics is business. This is entirely a manufacturing and quality issue here. There's not a R or a D. This is a pure economical situation we're dealing with. Okay? The good news is, as I said a few posts in a row now: Logistics can be fixed, easily(and no, we don't need Trump harping an order(Trump himself knows this, due to his capitalistic experience as a realtor.) They're already working on it, as we speak/type.

Basically, these tests are similar to the vaccine in needing to be tested to vet effectiveness. I think in order for these tests to be perfected, we should actually give these companies the space to breath in and out. Let's presume that current rates will stay stable for 6-8 weeks, or minor fluctations statistically that shouldn't be cause for alarm given that we all know there's no vaccine.

If we presume 6-8 weeks, and give these companies that 6-8 weeks to go through R/D and test their devices without need for hurrying the process, we'll get much better tests. That's how this works in the private industry.

No matter how quickly we want this to end, we need to realize it's not going to end quickly. That's the only way we can make smart policy decisions.

 

That does not explain the recovered patient in China who was being housed and tested daily for 70 days, after being tested twice negative following treatment. His 70 days confinement at government expense, because he keeps testing positive despite feeling fine.

 

GM demonstrates the fallacy of one part of your comment on the DPA. They were working on vent production before Trump attacked them for being laggards!! There are a number of companies making vents today when they were not previously making vents.

There is NO QUESTION that we could have produced enough PPE had we gotten corporations to work on that problem. Instead, we had FEMA interdicting deliveries, no federal coordination of state needs, no protection against price gouging, etc., etc.

And, your comment about the need for labor to do that is ridiculous. Anyone making vents or ppe would have been considered essential.

Suggesting that the logistics problems are outside the president's control is also just plain ridiculous.

It's like claiming the logistics of aid to states for hurricane recovery from FEMA is totally out of federal control! It just plain makes no sense. Besides, tests of various kinds, treatments, vaccines, and the policies and manufacturng capabilies around them are NOT in state control - they are FEDERAL.

I agree with your last sentences. But, we're not hearing any truth about that. And, it DOES affect what people believe is needed at the state level.

So, people hear the antiscience happy talk from Trump (who goes so far as to fire medical scientists who tell the trth) and then demand that our economy open on the basis of that.

We're not even HEARING about progress on Trump's own plan developed by business and medicine for opening our economy. Instead, Trump is cheering us on to ignore it entirely. He's e

 

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There certainly IS R and D involved. It's required any time the DPA is used. It's required when we try to create tests of various kinds, vaccines, treatments, examine immunity, etc., etc.

FEMA has been interdicting deliveries of products or has competed with hospitals for product the hospital desperately needs - a clear way that the federal government has SLOWED the process. Ten to twenty percent of deaths are coming from medical workers - exacerbated by the monumental and continuing lack of supplies.

We don't even know who actually gets the products that FEMA bids up or just steals - but not the hospital that needed that stuff to save the lives of their staffs!

All these processes have requrements for products and facilities - reagents, etc. And, that is more room for ensuring rapid prioritized response.

The president has the power to ignore that or to expedite that.

We are NOT seeing adequate participation by the federal government in areas that are national level, NOT state level, problems that are critical.

 

Very interesting posts. I agree, but go a step further because the disabling of response started a year plus before.

If it is intentional, then a bumbling inept con clown covers well, scapegoat.

The complicity of Gates $ and Harvard as well as fauci with WHO in wuhan looks like a setup and what we are watching is theatre covering another agenda.

I do however think that the antibody test can be used to a degree and help with opening up commerce again. We need practice.

 

Correct, but accountability at all levels of government is quite poor.