Trump creates 'Office of the Former President' in Florida

Who was impeached and tried in the Senate over Benghazi?

All those polls, except Rasmussen, use "all adults" or "registered voters". Rasmussen is one of the few pollsters which exclusively polls "registered voters". People can hold any opinion they want, but unless they are at least "likely" to vote, then they might as well spit into the wind.

Shake up Washington [corruption]. Bingo!

And when Bidens' expensive policies hit working people in the pocketbooks, they may quickly move to wanting to shake up Washington again. I've noted a few times that I'd prefer Trump's message to be told by a less rowdy messenger. That's what I'm hoping for.

I should clarify. The Corporate Party is composed of the RINOs and DINOs. The elites who have partnered with major corporate CEO's and used "scratch my back" exchanges of money to gain near-total power at the expense of the people. Traditional Republicans and Democrats are One Party (The Corporate Party) and they have systematically ripped the heart of the middle-class out of this country. That is the one point of agreement between the Socialist Populists and the Nationalist Populists: Shake 'em up and shake 'em out. They have too much power and that isn't working out well for most of society.

 

I would agree that The Orange Dude was a terrible messenger for the Republican Party platform - in fact HE became the
platform, which is just sad - hopefully they can crawl out from under that rock in the near future.

I do think it's odd to see Capitalists attacking Capitalism as you are doing in your post. Capitalism rewards the most aggressive
players in the economic field and it's only through government intervention that these large corporations are reigned back - which
is what you seem to be advocating for. Can it be that a hybrid might be the most effective in the long run?

 

Kinda what ex-presidents do, milk it for what the market will bear, book deals, appearances, "lectures".... last I heard Willy, George, and Barack ain't exactly on food stamps.

 

Trump did not become the platform. He introduced a new, winning strategy to the GOP, and unfortunately often did get in the way of that platform. I still argue that most Trump supporters voted for the policies and ideas more than the man who introduced them. That's not to say that there is not a "chunk" of Trump supporters whose main attraction was to the "street fighter personality" more than the policy. There's also a "chunk" who liked Trump's personality and his policies. Then the "chunk" who held our noses on personality but really supported the policies as best for America. Certainly better than Biden's, given the choice of two.

We barely have free market capitalism in America, and haven't for years. We increasingly have a crony partnership system between powerful corporations and our political elites who are connected by Beltway political consultants. Pay to play. Pay to stay. There is a revolving door with powerful elites moving back and forth between corporate boards of directors and high-level administrative government positions. That is not capitalism. That is an elite inner circle of people who are grifting wealth and power for themselves and their heirs. That is the oppressive Corporatist Party which governs us today.

Sure you can start a mom and pop restaurant, bar or little retail shop and be a free market capitalist after a bunch of government paperwork, licenses and red tape. Oh wait. That ended in 2019. Now you can only operate your small, legal business at the complete whim of the government. Walmart and Home Depot are "essential" businesses. The corner food market and local hardware store must shut down in the name of public health and safety. The Corporatist Party knows what's best.

 

I think every former President has such an office.

 

And many many more to come

It was mentioned more than once Republicans would live to regret the passes they gave the trump administration. And most of them have.

“Elections have consequences”. And seeing that Democrats are already pushing bills to make it easier for citizens to vote by mail and through early voting y’all may see those consequences for several more terms.

Enjoy.

 

Trump isn't the one who started the practice of signing off hundreds of EO's. I'm opposed to EO's no matter who is signing them.

Unless you aren't an American, you also get to live with the consequences of the election. When this ship sinks, partisan preferences won't matter. We all drown at the same time. That's unity for you, when one party exerts complete control and rules by EO's.

The totalitarian establishment party has now taken control. Maybe they will kill us of quickly rather than choose long slow torture, huh. Or do you want to vote on that along party lines? I don't think they're going to allow a democratic vote on it.

 

You're not serious ? The right invented the blame game for political expedience with the Clintons. They had Hillary on trial for one thing or another for 4 years. All of that knowing that she was the presumptive democratic nominee

Trump has fractured the party. Most of the true republicans actually looked down on the coup attempt. Most americans looked down on the coup attempt. The party is fractured on that single issue, and it is hurting the party. They have to decide if they are truly the "patriot party" or the "Party of Trump". These polls bear that out.

And he actually contributed to it.

The right said exactly that when Obama took office, yet the economy grew. In fact Trump inherited that economic trajectory, the same one the right now gives him credit for presiding over. Had he handled Covid correctly, it might have still been growing

Very well said. I could not agree more.

 

Let's be realistic - large business interests have ruled this country since day one - look at how the cotton and tobacco industry was able
to swing the Continental Congress. We could have outlawed slavery back then and saved ourselves decades of division and Civil War.

 

I hold dual citizenship so when it sinks I can watch from afar.

As to EO per president:

Clinton: 31.75 a year
Bush: 36.375 a year
Obama: 34.5 a year
trump: 55 a year

I must have missed your outrage over the last four years. I would hate to see what your definition of totalitarian is when you supported a president that had his own flag over the flag of this nation and demanded personal loyalty of the people he hired to dismantle our democratic and institutional processes.

 

Interesting. Are those American Flags those MAGA people are hanging off the Capitol Building or is their first allegiance maybe
to someone else?

 

LOL

 

LOL Yes, serious. Did anyone ever try to impeach Obama or have Hillary removed over them allowing the murders of our men in Benghazi?

Before Clinton, Democrats filed 35 articles of impeachment against George W. Bush. 35!!!! Before that Clinton was impeached. Before that, there were two articles submitted to impeach George H.W. Bush (both failed). I'll not belabor the point by going further back.

I'm not going to feel a lot of sympathy for Hillary Clinton who is simply part of a long historical string of ever-escalation of Congressional dysfunction.

I agreed with you that Trump split the party between Nationalists and RINOs, just like Obama did between Socialists and DINOs. I heard no agreement nor disagreement from you on the latter. I also already commented on the lack of quality in the polls you posted. No point in just repeating what we've already discussed, unless you wish to add something new.

There is no way that any world leader has a "still growing" economy after this global pandemic. No one had any god-like super powers to prevent Covid from harming their economy. The only better way to have better handled Covid with minimum economic harm would have been to recommend not shutting down the economy (which was Trump's instinctive preference). Social distancing, washing hands, and wearing masks with no shutdown has the same effect as those common sense measures along with a shutdown. Trump didn't want to shut down, but that decision was up to state governors and still is.

Trump's success at strengthening the economy before Covid, at least left Biden in a "better" position to have an economy set to take off now that Democrats have miraculously decided that Trump was correct that we simply cannot keep the economy locked down even if the virus is reaching new peaks. Unfortunately it looks like Biden is making all the wrong policy decisions so far to build on the economic potential he inherited, but we'll see.

 

God I am so thankful this Evil man and his Evil regime is out of office!

 

There weren't many large business interests when the country was founded up until the industrial revolution. Not just cotton and tobacco were grown in the South, but most of the small nation's food supply. The South fed and clothed the North while the North advanced industrial development for the country. Without slavery, we would not have had enough "hands" to economically feed the nation. If the North wanted to eat, they had to let the South use the only labor pool commonly used in the world while working toward the idealized goals of equality, human rights and dignity for all. So, as detestable as slavery was in America, it was the "normal" practice around the entire world until America led the world in abolition. America should be applauded for being among the first in the world to advance the idea of abolition and to advance the cause of freedom and equality.

 

Sounds like some crazy conspiracy theory.

 

No. it was not "normal" for much of the European world. Many countries outlawed slavery well before the US. The United Kingdom
ended all slavery in 1833. Mexico abolished slavery in 1824. Greece formally abolished slavery 1823. Serbia, Tunisia, Norway, Sweden, Spain, Denmark, Russia, Argentina, Venezuela, Ottoman Empire, Chile, Bolivia, Prussia ... the list goes on, ALL ended
slavery before the US.

1815 - The Congress of Vienna, with the UK, Portugal, France, Sweden, Norway, Russia, Spain, Prussia - all sign on to
the opposition of slavery.

1840 - First World Anti-Slavery Convention meets in London.

I'm sorry, the US was great in many things, but slavery is NOT one of them. Not till 1863, was slavery abolished in the
US - and that was after bloody Civil War. Most countries just passed legislation to end it. Nope - the US was NOT a leader
in abolishing slavery.

 

The U.S. may have been shamefully slow in implementation, but what was the original seed of even the concept that all people should be free.

What was the inspiration and when was the idea planted into the minds for a more enlightened world to come?

July 4, 1776:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Oh, you know...The thing.

 

Well no, but only because it was proven that they never did. The point was that the right kept "investigating" Hillary to put her in a bad light make her a bad candidate. Stevie Wonder could see that. Benghazi, the "email scandal", Seth Rich, Vince Foster...you name it..... After the third Benghazi "investigation and hearings" when they found nothing, they opted for a fourth round. They kept Hillary in the public eye for more than 4 years, doing the same thing every time, and loosing every time.

The Clintons have been the rights boogieman since day one.

That poll did poll "likely or registered voters" and Trump lost that one 56-39

The problem, as most see it, was that Trump did very little, and he minimized the pandemic. Over the course of the Pandemic he has not just minimized it, he has activly sought to undermine the medical experts for political gain. He contradicted them many times, for what most people saw as conceit and arrogance.

And I agree that the dems are now saying we should open up, yet they aren't offering any better advice. I think some of it is political, but the one thing I have not seen yet from the demas, is them contradicting the medical experts. They may, but I honestly dont see Biden doing that

 

~ I believe that is the idea. To fracture is a good start. Actually more like 75% of the Republican party needs to be replaced.

 

~ Most had no choice. Trump steamrolled over 17 challengers. It was the people who made the decision. Republicans reluctantly went along for the ride .

~ Many believe too many EOs are an abuse of power.

 

I think he's coming back into power in 6 weeks.... buckle up!!!!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/qanon-merges-white-extremists-spreads-135605633.html

I don't give a single rat fart what he's up to.... I had just read this QAnon article and thought it a perfect fit for this thread...

I'm sure whatever he does from here to eternity (trademark!) is primarily to grift...

 

Ya' think so? Best laugh I've had all day. LOL

 

Indeed... and he's better at it than any of the hacks currently squatting on 1600. It's amusing to listen to them mock the guy while seriously trying to destroy him. One would almost believe they fear the Bad Orange Man still. The RINOs definitely should. Cheney and the Turtle should especially focus on making new plans for their futures out of politics. The Republican Party may be about to fall to the "Trump Party"

 

Well... a guy's gotta make money however he can. I mean, not everyone is capable of using their family members as bag men shaking down foreign governments to get kickbacks. Joe should probably get busy on some deals because he doesn't look well:
https://nationalfile.com/video-bide...eventually-gives-up-and-puts-it-in-his-pants/