Some folks need to start acting responsibly and stop undermining Covid relief efforts.

What is the purpose of all these fake charts and numbers, and overall misinformation about Covid 19? We see this almost exclusively coming from the right. And most predominantly in the "Trumpist" movement. But also, in an immensely smaller scale, from left wingers on this forum. Whether it comes from the left or the right, I have personally tried to challenge misinformation, with links to actual science or actual data when available. Because, at this point, misinformation costs lives.

I ask again: what is the purpose. There are threads that include fake charts that are falsely attributed to the CDC. They are easy to spot by the fact that they are not accompanied by a link to the CDC where the data can be verified.

I know that Trump believed that trivializing the pandemic would help him get re-elected. But the elections are over now.

Misinformation costs lives! Trying to convince people not to wear masks, or not to vaccinate, or not to follow CDC guidelines keeps the pandemic alive longer. So if the loss of life doesn't discourage you from spreading fake information and fake statistics, keep in mind that the economy... your own jobs and your own finances will suffer. Not to mention those of the country.

Please stop! Stop posting nonsense you read on the likes of InfoWars and such. Stick to science. Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson have their income assured even if they spread this pseudo-science. But I'm sure most who repeat their nonsense here are suffering the impact, one way or another. They are acting against their own interest.

When all this is over, you can come back and argue that "the left overreacted" or that "it was just like the flu" or that "masks didn't help",. ... Whatever you want. But people should do that AFTER this is over. Because now, the only thing that is accomplishing is to make it harder to solve the crisis.

 

Historically, authoritarian despots make use of confusion and turmoil in their quest for dictatorial power. So they create as much confusion and turmoil as they can. And that is, no doubt, what this is about.

 

Ahhhh I think that would be the Governor of New York who lied about the nursing home COVID deaths for which he is responsible and today tried to blame it all on God.

 

When the Governor of New York joins this forum, we'll ask him. Right now I am asking these right-wingers who are in this forum why they insist on posting fake charts with false data like this.

What is the purpose? What do they gain? And are they aware that this fake information can cost lives? And do they even care that lives are lost because of this nonsense?

 

Judging by the large drop in new cases over the past 2 weeks, we may have reached herd immunity. The virus has run it's course and will finish doing so no matter how many masks you wear.

 

Absolutely not! We are far from herd immunity. That will be achieved when at least 70% of the population is vaccinated.

But we did stop having Trump rallies. Which were the worst single super-spreader events.

 

Absolutely yes! Some studies believe we can achieve herd immunity with far less than that.

And yeah, I'm sure it was Trump rallies and not any other large gatherings where people were acting careless and destructive. LOL You sure don't think your comment is going to be taken serious by most?

 

About 8% of the population has been infected. People infected early on have lost immunity by now. So the actual percentage of people who are immune is way below that. However, show a study that says that even 8% of the population would achieve herd immunity.

I will not hold my breath while I wait.

None as careless, destructive and numerous as Trump rallies. That's why I said "the worst single super-spreader events."

 

So much misinformation and guessing into one post.

 

I this documented? I never realized that you could lose immunity once you have it. Does that mean we have to get the same covid shot yearly? I thought the current vaccines covers all variants so far?

 

The purpose? Look to China.

 

Yes.
Pay more attention.
Quite likely although it won't be the same.
They aren't entirely sure but it looks that way for now.

 

The left only believes in God when they can blame him.

 

It's not surprising that when a right-winger mentions "studies", and they are challenged to show them, they invariably bow out.

And, of course, projection is the only thing they are left with.

This point is, once again, proven...

 

You stated that those who have had it have lost their immunity? Even the doctors don't know how long immunity will last, but we are supposed to believe a random PF poster. You also stated 8% of the population has been infected which is completely false. Maybe 8% have tested positive and it's suspected that 5x that amount have actually had it. Don't spew out fake information to support your claim cause I will call you out on it.

 

The answer to all your questions is a definite maybe.

What we do know is that people who develop immunity after they become infected do lose the immunity after a few months.

We would probably need to get Covid shots periodically unless 70% of the population is vaccinated and we develop herd immunity. The biggest problem is the "anti-vaccination" crowd. There might be enough of them to keep Covid coming back again and again for many years. If that is so, they will need to be forced. Not that somebody will hold them down while a nurse sticks a needle in their arm. But it could one day become a job requirement to show proof of vaccination. I would definitely not consume products or services from a business that doesn't have that requirement.

 

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The purpose is to look to China? I can show them pictures of China if that keeps them from sending all this false information.

 

Yes! But, before any of that, you claimed there were studies indicating that we could be reaching herd immunity now. But refuse to show them.

 

You know how to scroll up and read? I said we might have reached it now and there are studies that show you don't need 70% or more to reach herd immunity.
Even Fauci has stated it would be unheard of to lose immunity in only a few months from a virus. However, that doesn't include mutated forms of a virus which is why the flu can re-infect people the next year, because it's a different strain.

 

The idea of a 20-30% herd immunity threshold was discussed in a thread a long time ago, an I cited the original article in it:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ity-ahead-of-schedule.578125/#post-1072032752

Of course, if a 20% HIT would be correct, NYC would have reached herd immunity in the last fall. It didn't, so practically, the HIT is probably much higher than 30%, most likely 70%. In essence, a, low HIT was (and still is) just wishful Trump fan thinking.

In reality, the recent more promising looking covid numbers are because Christmas and New Year's eve parties are over, and people are having less get togethers in the absence of any holidays in January. Together with the coming wave of increasing vaccination rates, this bodes well for the spring. Let's hope that by Easter vaccination rates are already in the 30-40% range, so that the Easter festivities don't cause another wave.

 

I think the opposition can be broadly grouped into 3 categories:

1. People who think the virus was manufactured as a pretext for the actions being taken.

2. People who think the virus had a natural origin, but has been exploited deliberately.

3. People who think the virus had a natural origin, that the measures being taken are honestly presented but ineffective or unjust.

A whole lot of people are in category 3.

 

This just happened today...

Dodger Stadium’s COVID-19 vaccination site shut down after protesters gather at entrance
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Dodger Stadium’s mass COVID-19 vaccination site was shut down Saturday afternoon as about 50 protesters gathered at the entrance, stalling hundreds of motorists who had been waiting in line for hours.

The Los Angeles Fire Department closed the entrance to the stadium — one of the largest vaccination sites in the country — for about an hour starting just before 2 p.m. as a precaution, officials said.

The demonstrators included members of anti-vaccine and far-right groups. While some carried signs decrying the COVID-19 vaccine and shouting for people not to get the shots, there were no incidents of violence.

“This is completely wrong,” said German Jaquez, who drove from his home in La Verne and had been waiting an hour for his vaccination when the stadium’s gates were closed. He said some of the protesters were telling people in line that the coronavirus is not real and that the vaccination is dangerous.
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If you are interested in facts as opposed to misinformation by the OP try this.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-last-after-covid-19-what-we-know

Every new study that concludes provides further evidence natural infection immunity is long term. Of course future mutations may change things up.

 

31,210 Covid Deaths since Biden assumed office. I thought he had a plan?

 

There is only one thing that penetrates the bubble the right wingers build around themselves and that is to be totally ignored. Reasoned argument has no affect on them, it’s just another excuse for them to repeat their garbage.