There will be no 'unity' until justice is served on Donald Trump

The only hell you and your compatriots went through was one you self-created. You let yourselves that all panty-wadded because he did speak or act like your vision of what a politician should. You’ve been totally Jim-Jonesed by the powers that be on the left - the server crap sandwiches and you you asked for seconds. I grant he was crude, profane, and off-putting. Few on either side would dispute that.

“Betraying Democracy” - look to your controllers for that; read the Time Magazine article.

The “hell” Trump put us through raised incomes, created more jobs than we had candidates for, lower POC unemployment to record lows, fortified our pensions and retirement plans, add a half-million manufacturing jobs - amongst other things.

 

If you think Trump is despicable, you should find Biden despicable on multiple levels. His long history in Congress showed his favorability towards war, harsh sentences for drugs, racist leanings, and an exceptional talent for enriching himself and his family using public funds and bribes from foreign governments.

And then there are the harassment claims....

 

Separate issue.

 

I would argue that you live in Bizarro land, and the truth the precise opposite of everything you have written.

Trump hasn't done ****. He's ****ing evil. He's more harm to this nation than any president in history. He talks like a moron, hell, he is a moron.

The stats are worse now than they were when he started, and he's responsible for the covid mess, 'cause a competent president would have save thousands of more lives. now 7 people are dead but for Donald Trump's minion attacking the capitol, which he is 100% responsible for.

 

Argue all you want - you have the right to say anything, regardless of how vapid it it.

The “stats” are worse because we’te in the middle of a pandemic - even with that Trump has managed to restore Unemployment to levels better than most of Obama’s term - same with payroll employment and stock markets.

 

They're bullshit compared to the 26 sex predation claims against Trump. Tara what's - her - name is a looney bird.

Your 'enrichment' claim, show me the evidence. On Trump, we got TONS of evidence. It's an embarrassment of riches there is so much evidence.

The rest are policy disputes. I'm saying Trump is a despicable human being.

I'm not even touching his policies. The man, inside, is a cesspool.

Biden, where you might not like his policies, is a decent person.

For example, he ask all US attorneys to resign, which is customary for a new administration.

But, he let two US attorney's remain. So, which ones?

The US attorney investing Hunter Biden

And US Attorney Durham whom Barr installed to investigate the FBI/Trump investigations.

Now that is the kind of leader I want; one that isn't corrupt.

If he were Trump, he would have fired both of them, and put in one of his incompetent sycophants and kill both investigations.

That's what Trump would do, and did, when he was in office, and he did it, with Barr's help, in spades.

Your only bitch is policy. I'm talking what is inside the; man's soul, Trump is a despicable cesspool of a human being, precisely the kind of man who would fornicate with a porn star just after his newly wed wife gave birth

I'm talking about the real meaning of the word 'despicable'.

Racist? WTF are you talking about? Trump was sued by NY AG for 'discrimination against blacks' there is a picture of Fred Trump chumming it up with the KKK. What me to continue? I'm just getting started.

 

Fiscal responsibility is a single issue. Being willing to ignore irresponsibility does not make it a separate issue. I am still trying to figure out your end game. Is there a benefit to society you are looking to achieve?

 

The trouble is that "justice" is often in the eye of the beholder. So, presumably, you mean justice as defined by you. So, my best guess is there will be no unity. However, President Biden did promise unity, so we'll see.

 

I'm not even sure if it's worth bothering to post this given your partisanship, but here we go:

1) on corruption and enriching his family: https://nypost.com/article/hunter-biden-china-timeline-business-ties/

2) on his racist past: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/201...ustice-democratic-primary-2020-explained.html

There are more things I could post, but I'll see how you respond to these first.

 

False, precovid is worse than Obama's. But Trump has given fodder for Putin and dictators to claim democracy is dead, they are using the photos of the attack on the capitol as anti-democracy proganda. Trump is a ****ing joke,
THE WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY.

 

No, it's a separate issue. If you want to start a thread on it, feel free to do so.

My only ( as in 'singular' point ) was that the burden of taxation should according to ability to pay, i.e, those who benefit from the system the most share the greater burden.

As for what taxes are spent on, I'll that up to congress. I vote for democrats, so their end game is mine, most of the time. Bernie is now on the Budget Committee, I tend to agree with him, most of the time.

 

Well, dems and repubs are going to disagree, but my point was that there will be no hope of unity until justice is served on Trump.

But for Trump, there would have been no attack on the capitol, and those who were killed would still be alive. He, therefore, is guilty of insurrection and felony murder.

I dont know which 'eye of the beholder' you are referring to, but if the eyes are sane, they will come to that conclusion.

 

The "burden" is the result of spending and cannot be a separate issue. I bookmarked the page as an example of why letting politicians do our thinking is bad for society. Towing a party line does require blind following at religious levels combined with ignoring results.

 

There will be no 'unity' until justice is served on Donald Trump

Good thing you put quotation marks around unity. Because serving justice on Donald Trump can't possibly help attain unity by any definition I have known.

 

I don't want unity with trump extremists. Pelosi called them the enemy within.

 

I would never even entertain the thought that the outcome of the Senate trial, if it doesn’t go my way, would justify continued hatred of my fellow Americans.

We don’t have to agree politically, but the bigger picture is that we are all in this together. We sink or swim together. We should be respectful of one another. We should be peaceful with one another in our words and actions.

Haven’t we learned this?

 

You guys keep tossing up these nonsensical charts. Obama was recovering from a recession he OUGHT to ring up impressive job growth - however the fact is he led the worst recovery since WW II. Look at your chart for 2016, that was what Trump “inherited” and rapidly I’mproved.

 

The 'burden' has nothing to do with spending, it has only to do with burden.

So, the super rich pay the most in a progressive tax scheme. That's the proposal.

What Congress spends it on is up to congress, and that is a separate issue.

 

You have an opinion. Wonderful.

What is it that you would like to debate?

 

"Ought"? Says who? You?

Let's get something straight.

In the 20th century up to the current, there were only two major crashes. 1929 and 2008. the reason 2008 crash wasn't as severe as 1929, is that in 1929, we didn't have deposit insurance, and other safety nets, but they are comparable. Both took a long to recover. Therefore, those two examples are the only standards we have to judge recovery of such magnitude. Thus, Obama's recovery took about the same amount of time as FDR's recovery. There are no other crashes of a comparable magnitude to compare recovery times, so there is no 'ought'.

The republicans drove America, in both instances, into a deep ditch, and each time, the electorate elected a democrat to drive America out of the ditch.

What did republicans do? They whined about how long it took them to drive America out of the very ditch they drove us into in the first place.

That 'nonsensical chart' was based on data provided by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Moreover, Obama's got us out of the ditch, in point of fact, right quick. In about a year:
Bush's last quarter was -8. Four quarters into Obama's first year, it was +4. That's a recovery way way way way better than anything Trump has done. In fact, under Trump, America has Tanked. And with the attack on the Capitol, Putin and dictators are using the photos for anti-democratic propaganda.



I provide you with facts. Your rebuttal fails to refute them.

 

Do you agree or disagree with my opinion?

 

I find no fault with it.

 

You admitted that you let politicians do your thinking for you. Blind following at religious levels does not leave room for discussion.

 

I've admitted to no such thing. I vote for those whom I believe will act as I prefer. Sometimes they win the election, sometimes they don't. The same applies to anyone else. That you would make such a false accusation can only point to your inability to see clearly, since you seem to be using eyesight as metaphor here.

You really haven't made a valid point here.

Every argument I make is rooted in 1. Logic and reason. 2. evidence, or 3. Both 1 & 2.

Accuse me of being blind, and I will demonstrate that it is you who cannot see.

If you can demonstrate with 1. Logic, 2, evidence, 3 or both, I am incorrect, I will stand corrected. That is, IF, you can do it.

 

You said:

"I vote for democrats, so their end game is mine, most of the time."

Their game is California. Results show why continuing to reward irresponsibility with more tax money is a bad deal.