The Lie of AOC "almost died"...... AOC lied about Capitol Riots

Giftedone, the first thing one has to remember, is that almost nothing DC says about things environmental should be taken seriously. The very bureaucracy the Dems have encumbered us with over the last eighty years all but precludes us being able to do anything dramatic in the way of infrastructure changes. New York to LA high speed. Current rules and regs mean you're ten years from laying the first piece of track. Between environmental impact, archeological site preservation, and other things you'd be lucky if you had your road bed location finalized in less than a decade.

 

You're giving her to much credit. Liar yes. But she is also an ignorant self serving little hypocrite that the establishment's already found a way to buy off.

She's another one of the many people in congress, of whom, as my dad used to say, it could be truthfully said that if you could buy 'em for what they're worth and sell 'em for what they think they're worth you'd be a millionaire overnight.

 

OK, my apologies, so you are looking at Biden's policy; that's not my choice.

So, what is YOUR policy to raise livings standards to 1st world standards in Nigeria/Africa, and achieve clean air in China and India while raising living standards to 1st world standards there also?

 

Good point. Almost makes one wish for the CCP......who built the world's most extensive high-speed rail network from scratch, in 2 decades....

But even without the silly "sacred site" and other unnecessary regulations, the funding issue has to be solved by either side, without ticket prices being too high for the general public.

 

Known by whom?...Unable to say?

(from Quora)

"I can think of two main groups that vehemently dislike AOC: The Right dislikes her because she is to the Left what Trump is to the Right: an audacious, outspoken, popular and galvanizing figure that "pisses off the right people". The Right would prefer a monopoly on such disruptive leadership".

"Lying propagandist"? My advice: don't look in the mirror....
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Question: exactly how much 'sovereignty of the individual' was King John able to muster, when he was forced to sign the Magna Carta?

Truth needs to be agreed, to resolve conflict.

 

Apparently because a policeman (hailed as a hero) was able to (mis-)lead them away from those offices.

 

No. I choose an IMMEDIATE start to solar/wind backed by pumped hydro EVERWHERE, ie including Nigeria and the US, plus an immediate start to a 100% global recycling industry.

Hence the proposed oil pipeline doesn't need to be built, nor does current oil extraction and transport need to be increased ANYWHERE, as more green energy comes on line.

Meanwhile jobs will be created EVERWHERE, to build the necessary new green infrastructure, including plenty of American jobs.

 

Previously I said my policy was not Biden's, but on further consideration it might be.

I presume Biden is NOT talking about increasing US oil imports from overseas?

After all, if he installs (say) 5GW of green energy capacity into the US grid within the next two years (for starters), he won't NEED to increase oil consumption in the US, whether extracted from Canada or transported from overseas.

 

Well - you are not in the position of having to make that choice - but - if you were .. then you would have to choose between the two - C) Use no oil - not being an option - unfortunately - but Kudo's for the clarification - and distinction.

The next is a proper question - now that we on the same page.

My policy - is to go to Mellon - JP-Morgan - State Street - The 3 old "Custody banks" - take half of the 90 Trillion held in these banks -

This friggen number keeps going up .. used to be 30 - like - say a year before Covid... Same Story in the other 3 banks mentioned.

With that 50 Trillion - and what the rest of the world ponies up - say another 50 Trillion = roughly half of "All the money in the world" that's 100 Trillion.

and we will be needing every penny to save the planet - you have no idea how dire things are - I mean ... I apologize .. I'm sure you have some idea .. but if that idea is based on "Global Warming" = it ain't near dire enough.

Step 1) A bowl of rice a day to every mouth .. along with basic Maslow hierarchy of needs security - Pot of rice and a wooden Shack in Africa and these folks will think they are Stylin Throw in a Cabbage once a week .. Amazing. I remember an acquaintance - who is rich but does philanthropy - went to Africa to help .. drilled some wells and so on.. In the one village they went to .. don't even have rice .. eat this straw like vegetation with barely any nutrients .. and so on.. When they gave this woman a Cabbage - she was brought to tears.

The point of this effort is to stop population growth - the second biggest cause of CO2/Pollution

Step 2) Obviously - Step 1 will not cost much money - 100 Billion a year for 10 years maybe ? - 1 Trillion - free contraception for all.

The other 99 will be spent transitioning the first world off Oil - Well - actually - it won't cost near that much .. That is a staggering amount of money. and bring the 2cnd/3rd world up slowly.

The whole economic model has to change - Corporations can not expect to grow 10% every year - have to stop industrializing the third world - especially on the basis of stimulating the petrol economy in those nations .. Consumption has to stop increasing so rapidly

Ocean Pollution has to stop - have to put limits on fishing - we are still over fishing the Oceans .. and it is getting bad .. or Worse rather. Sport fishing lodges closing in Alaska due to the regulations - catch limitations (which is stupid as Sport fisherman are not the problem) How many people do you think are flying up to Alaska to stay in some remote lodge .. charter a boat to fish on the high seas ?? Not many.

Point being - that is how bad things are getting .. and this is with 2 Billion out of 8 eating fish .... sad for the other 6 Billion - well .. and going to be sad for the 2 Billion industrialized real soon.

Nitrogen/Sewage-Fertilizer, Heavy Metals, Persistent Organic Pollutants - need to stop dumping these things into the Ocean .. Plastic too - Not a Garbage Can ..

On a brighter note .. Peter Gabriel has done a remake of the Classic song "Biko"
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/peter-gabriel-biko-performance-1126360/



The above is just a snippet - but that is the only way

 

Wow. The Biko inspired music...born out of the tragedy of this world's treatment of trail-blazers and truth-seekers like Steve Biko, Christ, Gandhi and MLK.
(Christina Pato on Spanish bagpipes...a classical pianist!; with the amazing talent of the all the performers on display in this video, one can be optimistic about humanity's prospects....)

Yes well good luck with raising $100 trillion (probably just the start of the money needed to save humanity and the planet, on the path to universal sustainable prosperity) from those private sector banks.

And if AGW itself is real, the entire fossil industry will have to be compensated, to get vested private-sector interests on board; nobody is willing to starve or sacrifice present wealth for unborn future generations.

That's why I consider the BIS as source of funding to "save the planet" to be more realistic....

But living standards have to increase rapidly, to stabilize population growth and prevent wars and swarms of refugees seeking better conditions outside their own countries. ...(I already distinguished between our 1st world junk-consumer economy, and rising living standards).

 

No it does not

Conflict needs no truth to be result and truth stands on it's own with or without agreement

 

I think you meant truth needs no conflict, which is correct if all sides are committed to finding the truth; rather than to the present blind-leading-the-blind adversarial two-party democracy.

And King John discovered there is no such thing as sovereignty of the individual - even if you are a king!

 

Yeah - that was a good one happened into news feed. 100 Trillion is plenty of money .. enough to pay for near the entire spend of the entire world for 20 years .. and that is without factoring in the fact that these nations will still have GDP.

Printing money is not that simple - especially not on a global basis .. the only reason the US can get away with so much is because it is the world reserve currency ... but what ever .. we could start there and when that stops working go to plan B .. as outlined in previous post.

Living standard for the 3rd world do not have to increase that much - but we need to stop population growth - immediately.

Swarms of refugees are not a function of poverty - they are a function of war - the war in Syria being the last major crisis engineered by the US- immigration and birth combined needs to be limited to maintaining the population of a particular nation.

China's "one child policy" sorry to say - was the correct one == and we complained about it. This is how stupid people are.

 

No that is not what I meant I meant what I said.

He discovered no such thing he discovered the opposite. He discovered his royal title was empty meaningless and did not give him ( or any government ) the authority or ablity to manage other peoples lives and interactions.

 

The attack on the seat of government has nothing to do on whether one person was there or not. The whole world knows what happened and you haven’t a hope in hell of defending it.
So you try to make a case for a single person being there and that’s frankly laughable. A simple case of trying to defend the indefensible.

 

Truth will eliminate conflict. Just as eradication of poverty via government policy will reduce conflict.

Truth: individuals acting in their own self-interest can't eradicate poverty, because what is beneficial for some individuals is not necessarily good for all individuals. (Belief that is is, is called the fallacy of composition. eg, it might be good for individuals to save, but not good for the whole economy, which requires correct management by government).

King John discovered he had to bow to rule of law. That "his royal title is meaningless" (it wasn't entirely meaningless) is indeed a rude shock for him. He discovered that he - like all his subjects - is subject to rule of law enacted by government.

 

Government has never elminated poverty and is wholly unqualified to do.

Individuals acting in their own self interest HAS reduced poverty massively and that is the only thing which has done so.
Those are historic facts.

Government is incapable and unqualified to manage anyone.

No John bowed to a sword at his throat and nothing more,

 

China 40 years ago: entire population living in poverty. Now, middle class c 400 million people, planned to increase to 800 million by 2030.

Achieved how? "Socialism with Chinese characteristics".

Certainly the US government has never eliminated poverty....

Refuted above. US unregulated capitalism (pro individual sovereignty) has given the world the Great Depression and the GFC, requiring MASSIVE government intervention (eg New Deal, and Fed QE).

"incapable and unqualified" ...depends on the quality of government; but government is nevertheless an absolute necessity, to avoid anarchy. There's you error again : government is required to manage the COMMUNITY, while indeed self-interested individuals can manage themselves.

He certainly was forced to relinquish HIS sovereignty , but there is so much more to it: his subjects (since he was still king) including the rebel barons were also henceforth subject to the provisions of the Magna Carta; everyone is subject to rule of law, to avoid anarchy.

 

Once again it was not government management which lowered poverty in china it was introduction of freer market even if limited.

NO government has ever or ever can eliminate poverty.

The great depression did not require massive government intervention it wass in fact correcting itself when government stepped in and made it worse.

It does not depend on quality of government at all there is no qualified government.

It is not an error at all. Government is not capable of managing communities or people and they bpoth wortk best without government.

 

They are obviously a function of unemployment and associated crime, (as well as war) see the current exodus from Honduras, being turned back at Mexico...

Ie, economic dysfunction.

 

Guess who/what institution introduced the free market into communist China?

And who is still managing the free market, in 'socialist' China?

Typical conservative. They said that about slavery, in the 18th century.

"In the short term, New Deal programs helped improve the lives of people suffering from the events of the depression. In the long run, New Deal programs set a precedent for the federal government to play a key role in the economic and social affairs of the nation".

Delusion: (def.) fixed false belief not amenable to reason.

1. Government has existed since the year dot.
2. The quality of government is the issue.

 

China was able to come out of the dark ages due to WESTERN scientific and technical ingenuity. The ONLY thing they offered up was the slave labor. And then they STOLE the IP from western nations manufacturing goods in China. Don’t give them any credit for accomplishing anything besides taking advantage of Western greed. The most you could say about China is that they were opportunistic and had the ability to use and abuse their population without any negative effects from the rest of the world. They preyed on the fact that Western business plays by a standard and rules. They have ZERO standards and no rules.

The West should have kept China isolated and poor. And now look at the results. China purposely released the plague on the world in order to obtain more power and advantage while the world continues to sit back and let them abuse everyone over and over again. It’s truly astounding.

So much greed, our politicians and tech leaders sit back and watch. Apple just wants to sell as many phones as they can while feigning caring about the world. The NBA complains about violence against blacks while ignoring the horror China unleashes on its population that makes anything going on here look like a cartoon.

It’s all astounding.

 

And without that free market the country would remain destitute. The cause of the increased prosperity and decrease in poverty was free market NOT government.

That is simple demonstrated fact. Your attempt at spin is a miserable failure.

No it is not conservative any thing and they said no such thing. It is simple historic fact government CANNOT ever elminate pobverty the proof of that is overwhelming and irrefutable.

In the short run the new deal created a mini depression within a depression. In the long run it did nothing but increase government control with no beneficical effects.

Government has existed since the start and it's universal never ending failure to do anything EXCEPT violence is proof it is a failure at everything else.

There is no qualified government concieved of by anyone which works outside of war and violence.

Yes you have a delusion which is blind to reason. You fail to employ reason and willfully ignore it.

 

Well the debate was about the need for government; but I welcome your more intelligent examination of events.

China was indeed in the "dark ages" as late as 1921 (when the CPC was founded) and even still in 1949, when the CPC won government via a civil war.

1. The only thing China had to offer WAS "slave labor".
2. By accessing Western industrialization, and introducing some private sector, free enterprise policies into the state managed economy (c1980), they have lifted the entire population out of absolute poverty...finally achieved this year, with c.400 million having middle class consumption capacity, and planned to double to 800 million by 2030.
3. Xi Jinping is very concerned to eradicate corruption and enforce rule of law, while increasing living standards according to successive 5-year plans agreed by the Peoples' Congress.
4. He HAS acknowledged China's stealing of IP, in the past.

1. China is a quarter of the world's population. Napoleon said: "watch out when that sleeping giant awakens...."
2. China has contributed some of the great technological advances in times past (eg silk, paper-making, gunpowder, wood-block printing) and will do so again.
3. China did not "purposely" release the plague on the world, you reveal yourself to be a QAnon conspiracy theorist.

Well... yes greed is certainly a very human characteristic, one which requires government to keep in check. And the re-education camps in Xinjiang are a necessity to overcome the terrorist cells typical of all backward Islamic cultures, like the one which existed in Xinjiang.

Meanwhile, with their fast-increasing living standards, mainland Chinese people are not craving democracy these days ..and the covid plague has only reinforced the negative perceptions they already had about democracy.

Life is always more astounding than fiction.