World’s ‘solar and wind capital’ freezing due to snow ‘blanketing millions’ of solar panels

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  1. Jack Hays

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    Keep up the good work.
     
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    Of course not. Why would you want people to think you know what you're talking about?
     
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    Happy to oblige.

    You keep on putting up oil company public relations and right wing nonsense and we’ll just keep in pointing out the shady nature of your sources and pointing out the misleading claims.

    Meanwhile, Wall Street, and every other financial market will continue to pour resources into renewables and storage.

    The horse is out of the barn.

    In the US the flat earthers were too busy adoring their fuhrer to notice that one of their most chierished memes has gown moldy and the economic arguments against renewables crumbled in the face of advancing technology.

    Meanwhile the Trump Administration failed to persuade the electric power industry to invest more money in coal. Indeed, the power generation industry started pushing back, since the costs of renewables continued to drop like a stone and the once theoretical idea of large scale battery storage became a reality.
     
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  4. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    What I want people to think is that I have no need to stoop to insults.
     
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    How do northern states with much colder temperatures manage?
     
  6. Jack Hays

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    Sure. That's why I'm the one posting peer-reviewed science.
    That's why I'm the one who does not stoop to insults and name-calling.
    Meanwhile:
    Texas to boost grid resilience with more wind & solar, according to Clean Technica
    David Middleton
    Guest “I really couldn’t make this sort of schist up if I was trying” by David Middleton Reporting from Ice Mud Station Dallas… The pool is now ice-free for the…


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    EIA HOURLY ELECTRIC GRID MONITOR
     
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    Did your need vanish after getting your fill on insulting me earlier? I guess you got it out of your system. :roll: :roll:
     
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    Blind partisan bias breeds ignorance.

    "No man can be a pure specialist without being in the strict sense an idiot." George Bernard Shaw, Maxims for Revolutionists
     
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    This is false.
     
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    Really? And what insult would that have been?
     
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    Everyone here should avoid resorting to personal insults. Personal attacks are a hallmark of the paid political activist designed to chill debate. You should report personal attacks.
     
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    Everyone here should avoid resorting to personal insults. Personal attacks are a hallmark of the paid political activist designed to chill debate. You should report personal attacks.
    When they happen on PF it is usually a rare lapse in judgment.
    "Can't we all just get along?" :)
     
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    Natural gas has skyrocketed. Too much wind and turbines must be slowed down or locked. Solar doesn't produce enough even if every day was sunny, and the winter tilt of the earth did not happen.

    Maybe the manufacturers should stop producing so many varieties of vehicles, and other products. Electric cars leave Musk to hunt for every last bit of what it takes to make a good battery for what few cars there are out there.

    Oil removal from the earth will not change a thing that isn't going to happen to the evolution of the earths crust, and Capping our oil will not stop China from producing everything they make whether they use coal or our oil.

    Jack is that you before or after a hair cut ?
     
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    "For the last decade, renewable energy such as solar power and onshore wind has been playing a key role in providing energy access as well as reducing greenhouse gas emissions. However, over the past two years, global investment in renewable energy has been on the decline. Global investment in renewable energy peaked in 2017 at $326.3 billion, and in 2018 fell by 11.5% to $288.9 billion, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance. Global investment in renewable energy dropped 14% in the first half of 2019 compared to the same period in 2018. . . .

    The slower growth in renewable energy investment can be attributed mainly to falling costs in solar and wind globally, and to the change in market conditions with reduced subsidies in many countries. . . . "

    Investment in renewable energy is slowing down. Here's why ...
    www.weforum.org › agenda › 2019/09 › global-renew...
    Sep 13, 2019 — The slower growth in renewable energy investment can be attributed mainly to falling costs in solar and wind globally, and to the change in market conditions with reduced subsidies in many countries. On the one hand, the unit cost of solar photovoltaic (PV) systems and onshore wind power has been declining rapidly.
     
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    [to @FoxHastings] "You need to find the courage to face the data."

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...f-solar-panels.585124/page-44#post-1072462685

    [to @MissingMayor] "Your question is meaningless. There is no reason for me to manually retype what has already been presented clearly. Your claim about high and low days is a mere deflection."

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/world’s-‘solar-and-wind-capital’-freezing-due-to-snow-‘blanketing-millions’-of-solar-panels.585124/page-45#post-1072463099
     
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    Not sure. It was well over a century ago.
     
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    Yes, and . . . ?
    Neither is a personal insult.
    And neither comment was directed at you.
     
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    I don't think you know the meaning of "peer-reviewed science." You are copy pasting science denying blog sites.
     
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    They have an agenda, too. Here's what they say about the new generation of small nuclear reactors...

    https://thenarwhal.ca/canada-smr-nuclear-reactors-explained/

    It's propaganda, not a reasoned look at the possible use of nuclear power as part of an approach to combatting global warming.
     
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    :roll: :roll: :roll:
    I never said you don't spread insults around.
     
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    Hey, I’m open to evidence their claim about buying brown energy and reselling at a profit is not true. I’m not particularly interested in attacks on the source. We don’t have to agree with a source 100% for that source to be correct on individual stories. Remember, we disagree all the time but agree completely on other issues.
     
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    Wow! Just wow!

    What is it with you guys!

    You claim you’re posting “peer reviewed science” Yet your sources are almost always obscure right wing blogs and oil industry front groups (as you did with the post before this)

    This piece of “peer reviewed science” was from another oil industry blog (what’s-with that is a right wing trash blog with a well established history of promoting right wing lies with fake claims)

    And this link was no exception. Right there on it’s front page is a false meme about pouring jet fuel on a windmill. That faked meme made the right wing rounds early last week before someone successfully identified that actual image as something else entirely.

    I didn’t bother with the rest of it. Anyone who would be so clearly dishonest right up front, doesn’t command much credibility.
     
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    Nope. You'll find many of those articles are sourced (and linked) to peer-reviewed papers. This is not true in every case, but it's true often enough that I'm sure my peer-reviewed count exceeds any other poster here.
    The blogs' most useful function is to serve as aggregators for published science.
     
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    Those comments were directed at your text and not at you personally, but it is irritating when people dis our copy. :)

    We have to put up with that or our energetic discussions would be over.
    I think this sort of thing is what has to be avoided:



    IMO, everyone on this forum is far better informed than the average college educated citizen. We are fortunate to have access to such an interesting group of diverse correspondents, and, as I have pointed out several times, the members of PF have far more in common with each other than we are encouraged to believe.
     

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